Black Lives Matter thread - part 2

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Reminds me of the 16th St Church arrests and convictions late in life (and a little of the old nazi guards). If there's good evidence then lock her up.
 

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Because whiteness is why pro-Blackness exists. Whiteness is why anti-racism exists. Whiteness is why critical race theory exists. Black people wouldn’t need to “stay woke” if white supremacy hadn’t lulled this country to sleep. The best legal institutions in America wouldn’t teach critical race theory if the laws were not racist. If oppression didn’t affect Black people’s health, universities wouldn’t rearrange centuries-old medical curriculums to teach students about systems of oppression. If America’s institutions were diverse, equitable or inclusive, they wouldn’t have to create departments for diversity, equity and inclusion. If racism weren’t so pervasive, How to Be an Antiracist would probably be on the Wall Street Journal’s “Worst Seller” list.

Whiteness is amazing because it is a supernatural phenomenon that can spontaneously generate itself into existence. If I stopped typing words into computers for the rest of my life, Kang Killer would not stop hating Black people. If Ibram X. Kendi, Nikole Hannah-Jones, the Montpelier Descendents Committee, Barack Obama, the Squad, Al Sharpton, the NAACP, medical schools, books and the collective history of the universe suddenly imploded into the ether, never to darken the face of the earth again, racism still would not cease to exist.
 

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I do not recommend watching the video.
I don’t know what the police could have done differently here other than lighten up on the taser. Dude was completely uncooperative.

I didn’t realize that you could kill somebody with a taser.

And if you don’t want me to watch the video, don’t tell me not to watch it. I never stood a chance. 😀
 
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I don’t know what the police could have done differently here other than lighten up on the taser. Dude was completely uncooperative.
I get it, but the problem is police aren't (apparently) well-trained to de-escalate - so many are authoritarian-minded that if you push back, they increase their intensity EVERY TIME, seemingly never trying to de-escalate.

I didn’t realize that you could kill somebody with a taser.
Reality is the police do know. It's not like this is some sort of secret in the LEO community:


And if you don’t want me to watch the video, don’t tell me not to watch it. I never stood a chance. 😀
Fair.

Still don't recommend it... 😆
 
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I get it, but the problem is police aren't (apparently) well-trained to de-escalate - so many are authoritarian-minded that if you push back, they increase their intensity EVERY TIME, seemingly never trying to de-escalate.


Reality is the police do know. It's not like this is some sort of secret in the LEO community:



Fair.

Still don't recommend it... 😆
Recently. I got a call from a young female officer. There is some vacant property I control as the personal representative of an estate and it's near downtown. It's impossible to keep homeless encampments off it. Because of an overhanging tax lien, the estate cannot afford the thousands of dollars it would take to patrol it and evict when necessary. Anyway, this young officer is part of a new department which deals with homeless and mentally ill (there's considerable overlap). In this case, she asked if she could go and girdle the trees with purple paint, which is a sign to homeless that the property is posted and they will be evicted by the police. I was impressed by her. It sounded a helluva lot better than one former mayor we had who cleaned out an encampment under an overpass with fire hoses...
 

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I know I'm not a cop, and I'm aware that's it's so easy to second-guess what amount to life-and-death situations after the fact, but I don't understand why these cops have to seemingly always resort to force rather than trying to deescalate.

Why not try to calmly talk to the guy, explain what's happening, check his mental faculties, etc. before deciding he's resisting. But no, they instead reach for deadly weapons (even tasers are deadly, just less so than firearms) because they can literally get away with murder and remain employed.

End qualified immunity now - there's no reason cops should be above the law.
 

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I know I'm not a cop, and I'm aware that's it's so easy to second-guess what amount to life-and-death situations after the fact, but I don't understand why these cops have to seemingly always resort to force rather than trying to deescalate.

Why not try to calmly talk to the guy, explain what's happening, check his mental faculties, etc. before deciding he's resisting. But no, they instead reach for deadly weapons (even tasers are deadly, just less so than firearms) because they can literally get away with murder and remain employed.

End qualified immunity now - there's no reason cops should be above the law.
I'm no cop either, but I am used to dealing with hysterical people. Sometimes you can't talk them down. The guy in the video seemed like he wasn't willing to listen to reason. If I can't get a patient to listen to reason, I tell them we should try our procedure on a different day when the patient feels better. This usually works for me, but of course a cop can't just dismiss the guy and say we're going to arrest you when it's more convenient.

I'm all for deescalating. I don't know if cops are just not trained that way or what. All these situations where people die are because cops use more and more force until the suspect either submits or he dies.
 
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I know I'm not a cop, and I'm aware that's it's so easy to second-guess what amount to life-and-death situations after the fact, but I don't understand why these cops have to seemingly always resort to force rather than trying to deescalate.

Why not try to calmly talk to the guy, explain what's happening, check his mental faculties, etc. before deciding he's resisting. But no, they instead reach for deadly weapons (even tasers are deadly, just less so than firearms) because they can literally get away with murder and remain employed.

End qualified immunity now - there's no reason cops should be above the law.
That's like the Darby guy who got convicted here. He entered the room, with two senior officers there, trying to talk down a guy with a gun pointed at his own head. Darby blew away the threatened suicide 11 seconds after entering the room. Darby had been on the force 18 months...
 
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I am not sure this belongs here.
It is just an example of a bad academic making a fallacious argument. (Cultural anthropologist from UVa on the faculty at Duke)
Damar Hamlin’s Collapse Highlights the Violence Black Men Experience in Football
"This ordinary violence has always riddled the sport and it affects all players. But Black players are disproportionately affected."
I mean, nobody is being forced to play in the NFL.
And, if the NFL were to enact a cap by percentage of NFL players that are black and adopt a quota for white, hispanic, and Asian/Pacific Islander players, I think the NAACP would take issue with that policy.
 
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