Breaking news on USC

[jdatide]

I chuckled at this statement regarding USC's penalties by Pete Fiutak on CFN:

"No, Auburn, you didn’t win the 2004 national championship. (And technically, Oklahoma should win after finishing second in the BCS final standings and Auburn third.) If you want to think your tremendous 2004 Tiger team now deserves the national title, and if that’s how you want to get a trophy, fine. Never mind that no one else will acknowledge it or care, but if it makes you feel better and puts a song in your heart for a few days, then congratulations."

It seems that the barn's reputation has spread past the state borders now.
Scout.com: CFN Analysis - The Sanctions Against USC

 

[BamaFossil]

As Tidefans readers know, I didn't want this outcome. I wanted demonstrable blatant bias by the NCAA.

There's still hope though. Wait'll the appeals process winds its way to a conclusion.

 

[bamaga]

I love it. What I really love is their unrepentant arrogance and hubris.

Any mention of Alabama's sanctions for the Means case brings an automatic and completely predictable "Bama really cheated, but we didn't... the NCAA just made up stuff against us... blah, blah, blah." So, they believe that the NCAA makes up "evidence" against them, but couldn't possibly have done the same thing against Bama. What hypocritical phallic wardrobes they are.

Now everyone can trash USC just like the their fans did to Alabama 8 years ago. I'm going to enjoy every minute of it. I'm going to be singing Tool's Aenima in the shower in the morning in all its glory and I think I'll revise the lyrics to include the "whining Trojan fans" in the stead of the "insecure actresses".

The Spread 12 falling apart is just icing on the cake. :biggrin:

they are in denial, most of the threads on wearesc.com mention Alabama, threaten to secede from the NCAA, sue the NCAA , or claim ther sanctions will be overturned on appeal. do the last three sound familiar?

 

[TidePhin]

I would love to hear Pete Carroll's response to all of this

 

[Crimson Cat]

I'm still waiting to see how many of the scholarship losses are actually football related. If the twenty includes basketball it may not be as severe as it initially looks.

I agree.

 

[bamaga]

I'm still waiting to see how many of the scholarship losses are actually football related. If the twenty includes basketball it may not be as severe as it initially looks.

seriously, how many BBall scholly's can be taken away?, even if they lose just 16 scholly's, in football, thats a lot!

 

[IH8Orange]

they are in denial, most of the threads on wearesc.com mention Alabama, threaten to secede from the NCAA, sue the NCAA , or claim ther sanctions will be overturned on appeal. do the last three sound familiar?

Just like lossless playback...

I might have some sympathy for them if they would admit that perhaps Bama was punished too severely also.

They act as if an infraction by a booster somehow makes the school more culpable than an infraction by a sports marketer who gets preferential treatment from the school.

I believe that Tom Yeager himself stated that Alabama could not have known about Logan Young's actions and could not have stopped them, yet since they created a de facto competitive advantage Alabama was punished. So, Alabama was punished even though the infractions chairman himself feels that the compliance department was helpless to prevent the infraction. Thus the term "rogue booster".

Albert Means and his family apparently didn't give the immediate appearance of being the recipient of illegal benefits. Reggie Bush's parents moved into a house that they obviously could not afford, so it should have been evident to USC's compliance department that something was happening. So, I'd say that USC is more culpable in their infractions case than was Bama.

 

[Tider@GW_Law]

True, but a 2 year bowl ban, 5 year probation, and forfeiting wins is nothing to sneeze at either...fwiw I believe most of the scholarships losses will be football related since from what we know the most violations occurred with the football program.

It appears ALL 20 of the scholarships are in football, and the number may actually be HIGHER than 20.

From the very first paragraph of the linked LA Times story:

A two-year bowl ban and a loss of more than 20 football scholarships are among the sanctions that the NCAA has dealt USC, a source with knowledge of the situation said Wednesday.

LA Times link

 

[Tider@GW_Law]

even if they lose just 16 scholly's, in football, thats a lot!

Anybody wanna guess how many decommitments and transfer requests they get before this weekend is over?

I'm guessing a total of 9.

 

[Crimson Cat]

Scholarship losses is where the teeth are in this, imo.

 

[Ldlane]

You guys missed the one glaring sanction in all of this! Lane Kiffin is now their football coach!

 

[jps1983]

You guys missed the one glaring sanction in all of this! Lane Kiffin is now their football coach!

LOL. So true. I remember reading some posters a few months ago discussing how Kiffin ever got the job; many thought the school knew it couldn't get a big name coach so Kiffin was there to weather the storm of sanctions (a la Shula). Seems very karma-friendly when Kiffin used Tennessee showing no loyalty and USC will probably use Kiffin in the same way and dump him in 3-4 years.

 

[BAMAHD]

You guys missed the one glaring sanction in all of this! Lane Kiffin is now their football coach!

The barrel of a gun is swinging around towards USC now that Kiffin is back on board. Its just a matter of time before Kiffin and Mike Hamilton are gone.

 

[gladIam4UA]

How many scholarships did Alabama lose? Was it 21? Can't remember for sure...and over what timeframe?

 

[crimsonaudio]

We knew it would have teeth, glad we finally see it fleshed out a little bit.

Be interesting to see how the scholarship losses pan out - that's HUGE...

 

[BigEasyTider]

How many scholarships did Alabama lose? Was it 21? Can't remember for sure...and over what timeframe?

Yep... 21 scholarships over three years.

We pre-emptively self-imposed 15 over three years. The NCAA tacked on six more.

 

[Bama323]

Scholarship losses is where the teeth are in this, imo.

Exactly. If there were no scholarship reductions, Kiffin could just keep recruiting at full speed, and there would really be no big effect on the USC program. A loss of scholarships in the 20's really changes the dynamic.

 

[Hal Bennett]

The Los Angeles Times article is probably closer to the situation than Shelly Smith of ESPN. Remember Herbstreit's prediction about Les Miles going to Michigan?

The Times article says that "forfeiture of wins" is "possibly in play." That is a long way from saying that the NCAA is actually going to take away wins from the Southern Cal football program.

My guess has been that the NCAA is going to "going to sound like John Wayne and act like Pee Wee Herman" on this. If they actually take away wins from USC, I will gladly eat John Wayne's hat.

Are you familiar with the Notre Dame-USC rivalry over the years? OK, have you ever seen the NCAA take away wins from any team remotely involved with such Sacred Cow rivalries -- such as Ohio State-Michigan? If they've done it, I don't know about it.

I could be dead wrong, of course, but I think they are going to stick a fork into USC, but stop short of carving them up. You stick a fork in a program by taking away scholarships and banning them from a couple of bowl games. You carve them up by removing a vital organ -- like part of their record.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I could be dead wrong, of course, but I think they are going to stick a fork into USC, but stop short of carving them up. You stick a fork in a program by taking away scholarships and banning them from a couple of bowl games. You carve them up by removing a vital organ -- like part of their record.

Vacating wins is meaningless - USC will continue to count the 2004 BCSC.

Acting like vacating wins is the part that hurts is silly.

 

[RedStar]

The Los Angeles Times article is probably closer to the situation than Shelly Smith of ESPN. Remember Herbstreit's prediction about Les Miles going to Michigan?

The Times article says that "forfeiture of wins" is "possibly in play." That is a long way from saying that the NCAA is actually going to take away wins from the Southern Cal football program.

My guess has been that the NCAA is going to "going to sound like John Wayne and act like Pee Wee Herman" on this. If they actually take away wins from USC, I will gladly eat John Wayne's hat.

Are you familiar with the Notre Dame-USC rivalry over the years? OK, have you ever seen the NCAA take away wins from any team remotely involved with such Sacred Cow rivalries -- such as Ohio State-Michigan? If they've done it, I don't know about it.

I could be dead wrong, of course, but I think they are going to stick a fork into USC, but stop short of carving them up. You stick a fork in a program by taking away scholarships and banning them from a couple of bowl games. You carve them up by removing a vital organ -- like part of their record.

I disagree. Everyone knows they won those games, just like everyone knows we won the games in 2007. Their "vital organ" as you put it, is their players. They'll be short 20+ players over the next 3 years. That's a HUGE loss. You saw what a loss of scholarships and inept coaching did for us during the majority of the 2000’s. With Kiffin at the helm, you’ll see a very similar pattern with USC.