CFP Rankings Week 5: The 12-Team Playoff Was A Horrible Mistake

I don't get it either. I think the CFP Playoff Committee should send ND message and leave the Irish out of the playoffs. Then in the off-season. NCAA should tell ND, that's how it's going to be (no playoffs considersation) until you join the ACC.

For starters, Notre Dame cannot get a bye, so they do operate at one point of disadvantage. But the CFP would be completely justified in leaving the Irish out of the playoff for SEVERAL reasons:

1) not punishing Alabama
2) not punishing BYU
3) the brutal fact that Miami beat them head-to-head


But I'm not sure this would send any sort of "message", because the Irish would interpret it as something besides that, and they have a plethora of reasons they could use, too.
 
I've said before that I'll defend the committee on ONE POINT regarding that: their "logic" is not ANY different than that used by the AP poll voters or even the UPI (later coaches) poll voters. It is often missing context or based on "last game-itis," where a team looks either super great or awfully lousy at the last viewing.

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1985 AP Final Poll
4) Tennessee 9-1-2
5) Florida 9-1-1

Florida 17 Tennessee 10

Of course, the Vols played an extra game and blew out Miami in the Sugar Bowl, 35-7.
But...Florida was also the only other team to beat Miami and did it on the road, 35-23.

6) Texas A/M (10-2)
13) Alabama (9-2-1)

Alabama 23 Texas A/M 10
Alabama's two losses were to teams ranked in the final Top Four, Penn State (by 2) and Tennessee (by 2) plus a tie with 9-2-1 LSU ON THE ROAD.

11) Nebraska (9-3)
15) Florida St (9-3)

Florida State 17 Nebraska 13 IN LINCOLN
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1990 AP FINAL POLL
3) Miami 10-2
6) Notre Dame 9-3
10 Houston 10-1
11) Penn St 9-3
12) Texas 10-2

Notre Dame 29 Miami 20
Penn St 24 Notre Dame 21 (November in South Bend)

Texas 45 Houston 24
Texas 17 Penn St 13


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1994 AP FINAL POLL
4) Florida St 10-1-1
6) Miami 10-2

Miami 34 Florida State 20 (and Miami's second loss was to the national champions by 7)

12) Michigan 8-4
14) Ohio State 9-4

Ohio State 22 Michigan 6

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2001 AP FINAL POLL

3) Florida 10-2
4) Tennessee 11-2

Tennessee 34 Florida 32 (in Gainesville)
This was fascinating to think back on. I recall those years pretty well, 85 being Perkins at Bama, 94 being coach Stallings of course, and that Franphony 2001 season.

Does anyone else think that, post-2020, anything "historical" is just lost for good now? Not speaking of only sports here; commonly held beliefs about society as a WHOLE just seemed to have been redrawn since 2020.
 
This was fascinating to think back on. I recall those years pretty well, 85 being Perkins at Bama, 94 being coach Stallings of course, and that Franphony 2001 season.

Does anyone else think that, post-2020, anything "historical" is just lost for good now? Not speaking of only sports here; commonly held beliefs about society as a WHOLE just seemed to have been redrawn since 2020.


It's a pretty good marker of time, but a lot of the things that changed were headed that direction and sped up due to everyone being at home for months on end.

Anyone at any time can disparage anyone's "national championships" and folks would be hard pressed to defend them.

National championships before 1960 - in all honesty - aren't worth the paper they're printed on. I had a thread that covered every single national championship ever awarded starting with the AP poll in 1936, and prior to around 1950, it was simple: no Southern teams need apply. And then through 1957 - a problem exposed by Auburn of all people - you had the fact that ANY newspaper that was a member of the AP had a vote, so Auburn worked the phones and literally begged what they deemed "friendly" sources to vote for them, which resulted in the settling of the AP votes to only 48 votes (one vote per state, excluding the last two that were added in 1959). It eventually grew to around 70 votes before it was rendered moot by the BCS.

But even those awarded by the AP and UPI are, well, highly questionable at best. Unless you had an unusual circumstance like Pitt in 1976 or Clemson in 1981, the vote always went to "team with biggest historical reputation", which is why Alabama couldn't beat Notre Dame in a vote but couldn't lose to hardly anyone else, either.

Take 1978, for example. Alabama got mauled by USC on the football field, 24-14, and it wasn't even really all that close. Granted, Alabama turned the ball over six times is why they lost, but the game was at home. So given USC thumped Alabama head-to-head, lost to 9-3 Arizona St (in their first year in the newly expanded Pac-10), and wound up with a shared title.

WHY?

I've always thought there were four basic reasons that explain it:
1) Alabama had the bigger name than USC did.
2) In 1977, the argument for Notre Dame over Alabama was "they beat #1," and Alabama did beat #1.
3) there were sufficient reasons to think USC's win over Alabama was a bit of a fluke
4) among these were the fact USC won two games - Notre Dame and Michigan - thanks in large part to officiating blunders that effectively turned two USC losses into wins.


But in all honesty - in the end, you won national championships based on if you'd won prior national championships. Alabama couldn't win that one in 1966, but they couldn't lose it in 1978, either.

(The part everyone forgets......Oklahoma had the same record as Alabama but was ranked lower because Alabama had beaten Nebraska and OU failed the first time. Of course, Nebraska was actually ranked ahead of Alabama despite a 20-3 blowout loss - until they lost to Mizzou in the "letdown" after beating OU).
 
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By the way - the ONLY reason Oklahoma is even in the playoff is because they beat Alabama head-to-head by fewer points than Miami beat Notre Dame head-to-head.

In other words, the committee is telling us head-to-head matters EXCEPT when it's Notre Dame.


Head nutbag at Notre Dame:
Well since there aren't any games this weekend, they can't move us.

Me:
They dropped TCU 3 spots after a 52-point blowout win, they can do whatever they want.
 
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