Link: Coach Saban to fans: Stay the full game or give tickets to someone who will!

Here's how this should work. For the type of fans that can't be troubled to stay four quarters, just don't go to the game. It's that simple. As Saban said, give away your ticket, or sell it to someone else. But, if sitting through four quarters just isn't your thing, then neither is going to a football game, because those happen to be four quarters.

I can not respect the fans that defend the idea of taking up a seat just long enough for no one else to have it, but not actually using it the entire game. I'll give a break to the elderly that can't manage to cheer for four quarters, but come on, sitting for four quarters is too hard? May be you shouldn't be outdoors then. Some fanbases stand the entire four quarters, asking a fan who is monopolizing a seat to use it isn't too much to ask, period.

Edit: And to the people that have kids or old people to care for or what not. May be you shouldn't be out late to begin with... once again, no one is forcing these people to go to the games.

You are expressing some very strong opinions and handing out rather stern criticisms. Well, curiosity is finally getting the better of me. You've railed about this subject for quite some time in several different threads. So, time to come clean, are you a member of Tide Pride? Are you a ticket holder through some other means? If not, how many games a year do you attend? If you don't go to games, why not?
 
USC had this problem earlier this year against Vandy. Jumped out to a big lead early and students cleared out. Then Vandy came back and made a game of it and student noise was non-existent because students were out partying. Students caught a lot of grief, many of the same arguments made here.
 
Nice debate going on here fellow TideFans!

All I know is that Coach is the ultimate behavior control technician. He brought the glory days back to us and may very well end up being the greatest college football coach of all time (if he is not already). We may never ever see a run like this at the Capstone and the man responsible for it is asking us to stay in the seats until the end of the game. I don't know...I'm just doing what the man wants. Thanks Coach, may I have another?
 
My final post.
It's not a sign of disgust or disrespect. I left a Ben Folds concert this summer about 10 minutes early because my wife was at home alone and if I stayed for 10 more minutes, it would cost me over an hour in travel time. I wanted to see my wife sooner.
Ben Folds is one of my favorite musicians. I am going to see him again in March. Maybe Ben Folds would be upset with me. I don't know.
Even the platinum selling acts I know are aware fans showing up, leaving early, etc... So they notice each individual one? Of course not, but the fact is it matters even in that scenario. And yes, when it's done in mass it is an overt sign of disgust/disrespect. Getting up and walking out is an almost universal sign of that.

Each time we do the whole I bought the ticket line, we are saying it's just an entertainment product. I see each carefully sculpted excuse, and on an individual issue would any of us have an issue? Sure, but the problem is around 50,000 people suddenly got a really good excuse to leave. That's a problem.

As another poster here noted, I've been on this for a while. It's the usual stuff for me, because I know it matters! Does Saban really care about the fans showing up? Not really, he cares about the impact that it has. He wouldn't bring it up, unless it mattered. Like some of the A-Day discussions I've had, it impacts recruiting! It impacts the team's performance. When Saban is coaching up players, he doesn't want to go, there's a half stadium full of people out there and I want them to see your best! No, he wants to be able to go, there's 100,000 people out there and I want them to see your best! He wants the recruits in awe, he wants the opposing teams in awe as well.

Alabama got the #1 QB (#1 overall in some services) from 2015 to commit. What did he say when he committed? He talked about spring game attendance. Alabama gets the #1 recruiting class for 2008, the backbones of a couple championships, and what does Saban talk about helping? Attendance. These kids see the crowd, they notice it, it matters. We can treat it all like a product, like any other ticket, or we can act like fans that care about having a positive impact. I don't go to every game, and I've never claimed fans should go to every game, as long as there is a waiting list that's not an issue. All I'm saying is, when you go to a game, be prepared to support the team for four quarters. Or, at least wear the other team's shirt, so when you walk out it doesn't look like you're walking out on Alabama's team.

For those dying of curiosity, I have never left an Alabama game early. I don't have season tickets, I am on the waiting list, and I could never support the team financially to the extent some people that choose to walk out on the team early, can. I openly admit my value is more in sitting in a seat than writing a check. I don't miss A-Day though, because I know I'm taking up an empty seat, and that matters. It's about ten hours round trip for me, and sometimes I do get home really late, but I simply wouldn't go if I couldn't be there for the whole game. I do try to analyze each action I make, be it a forum post, or a blog post, or going to a game, in terms of whether or not that has a positive or negative impact (however tiny it might be) on the Alabama football team. I'm a fan first, entertainment is secondary, and I'd never go to a game again if I felt that was the best thing to do for the team.

Imagine this, imagine you are a recruit. You are considering Alabama, but you know that you might be on the "scout" team, that some people here talk to disparagingly about (by the way, AJ was on the scout team). You know it might be a few years before you see major playing time, but you're looking at this huge stadium, and the crowd... you think it doesn't impact him to look out there and see it half empty? To know that the playing time he's likely to get for most of his career will be in front of apathetic half empty crowds? I'm not making this stuff up, recruits say it matters, Saban says it matters... I just can't get why fans won't just say ok, I get it, it matters and as a fan, I'll do my part. Instead, we get fans scared to death Saban will leave, and on the other hand I see fans making overtly negative remarks about Saban over this. Sure, that helps, thanks guys.
 
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Has anyone provided evidence that fans leaving early in blowout games negatively impacts recruiting? Or is it just an opinion?
It's just Saban's opinion, but he's obviously an expert:
"We have lots of recruits there, we like to see an enthusiastic full stadium," Saban said. "We have a beautiful stadium and one of the nicest venues in all of college football and I think we all should show our appreciation for it by staying and supporting our team for the whole game."

Saban comments from the radio show:
"-- On students leaving early: "I don't like it. I don't like it."

-- "All you have to do is come, drink beer in the parking lot ... and have fun."

-- Saban getting passionate again talking about the fans who leave early. "

In terms of evidence, I can only think (off the top of my head) of Ricky Town's (or his dad, I don't see the article right now, but it specifically cited A-Day attendance numbers) comments in which he cited spring game attendance when he committed. That's the top 2015 QB citing it, a guy from California. I also recall Nick Saban citing the "sell-out" A-Day attendance as being a factor in the #1 2008 recruiting class. I hear a lot of recurits talk about "atmosphere" and that sort of thing, but one recruit talking about attendance is enough for me.

Let's look at it like this though. Imagine that if every Alabama fan at the game, stayed for four quarters, and then we had the stadium full the next A-Day, and all that did, all that actually impacted was one kid committing to Alabama, what if that's a Cody? What if that's an AJ? What if that's someone who is going to be the difference in a championship?

I know this, if I'm going to be a difference, I want it to be a positive and not a negative one. I'm one more guy at the A-Day game, I'm never going to be an empty seat during the fourth quarter. There are others who have done more, who have helped pay for things I could never help pay for, but as fans we each have our roles and my concern is that we are doing what is best for the team.
 
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The obvious difference is that in your examples, those are free events that people attend to honor someone. This is entertainment that people paid their own money to attend. It is more comparable to attending a movie, concert, or the circus.

I tend to think of it as a fireworks show where the Grand Finale happens first, and then they spend the last two hours shooting single shots into the air on 30 second intervals...
 
I agree...i saw so many empty seats in the student section...but so many full seats in the upper end zone deck, and I thought...those folks should be able to sit in the empty student seats....
 
In terms of evidence, I can only think (off the top of my head) of Ricky Town's (or his dad, I don't see the article right now, but it specifically cited A-Day attendance numbers) comments in which he cited spring game attendance when he committed. That's the top 2015 QB citing it, a guy from California. I also recall Nick Saban citing the "sell-out" A-Day attendance as being a factor in the #1 2008 recruiting class. I hear a lot of recurits talk about "atmosphere" and that sort of thing, but one recruit talking about attendance is enough for me.

Did the entier A-Day crowd all stay for the entire game?

Or, did a large portion filter out before the final whistle?
 
I am sure most of the students don't read Bama message boards or listen to Saban's press conference. They are not the die hard fans that we are.
 
FYI, a lot of people could have got in this game for FREE. Supply of tickets was way above demand. Scalpers were only offering $5 for lower bowl tix. People we're walking around the stadium selling $10 a pair or less lower bowl with no takers. My friend had 3 in section B and best offer was $50 for all of them with face being $65ea, so a lot of empty seats were due to lack of interest. No need to wait for Tide Pride for lower tier team games when you can just show up gameday and pay face or less.
 
My final post.
It's not a sign of disgust or disrespect. I left a Ben Folds concert this summer about 10 minutes early because my wife was at home alone and if I stayed for 10 more minutes, it would cost me over an hour in travel time. I wanted to see my wife sooner.
Ben Folds is one of my favorite musicians. I am going to see him again in March. Maybe Ben Folds would be upset with me. I don't know. But I bought the ticket and I will stay as long as I want. People have different reasons for leaving early. It is certainly not my place to tell others what they should do with something they bought with their own money.

You must've never been a performer.

It IS in fact a huge sign of disrespect for an actor, a musician, a circus clown, a magician, or anyone else to leave early from a performance. In fact, there is NO bigger slap in the face than that. Even worse than just not buying a ticket.
 
I wonder if you allowed the students to sell their tickets, and you weren't supposed to show a student ID to enter into that section, would it help solve the problem somewhat?
 
I wonder if you allowed the students to sell their tickets, and you weren't supposed to show a student ID to enter into that section, would it help solve the problem somewhat?

I've got a better idea. Set up three lines outside the stadium. One for students with tickets, one for "Stand By." Open the student line 90 minutes before kickoff and let folks in - no block seating. Either come in and cheer or stay home. Scan their ACT card for admission. If they left the last game early or had a ticket and didn't use it, they go to the 3rd line for Deferred Entry. Keep letting in students from the main line in until the section is full OR 30 mins before the game.

At 30 mins before the game, take one person from each of the Stand-By, Ticket Holder and Deferred Entry. Keep going until the section is full. If the section isn't full, sell seats on a first-come, first-served basis to ANYONE (students and or general public) for $15 a head. Credit cards only (speedy payment, no cash handling). Give those that bought one of these a pass out to be scanned so that everyone from the student section gets scanned out.

Scan ACT cards on the way out and repeat the process the following week. Leave 2 tickets unused OR leave 3 games early and you go to the bottom of the priority list for post season tickets.

Create an easy process to give up tickets... any ticket can be given up to any particular student up to midnight the day before a game or donated to a pool. At midnight the system would randomly allocate tickets from the pool out to people who opted-in saying they didn't have a ticket and wanted one. Emails would go out to the person giving up the tickets confirming they followed the rules and to the recipient saying they now had a ticket on their ACT card.

We would never not have a sellout. Guaranteed.
 
You must've never been a performer.

It IS in fact a huge sign of disrespect for an actor, a musician, a circus clown, a magician, or anyone else to leave early from a performance. In fact, there is NO bigger slap in the face than that. Even worse than just not buying a ticket.
I've been a professional guitar player for most of my life. I don't get my feelings hurt when people leave early; it happens no matter who you are. However, the band definitely plays better when the crowd is into the music and the bigger the crowd the better. I'm sure the football team responds the same way. I will not leave the game early Saturday.
 
You must've never been a performer.

It IS in fact a huge sign of disrespect for an actor, a musician, a circus clown, a magician, or anyone else to leave early from a performance. In fact, there is NO bigger slap in the face than that. Even worse than just not buying a ticket.


Are you serious? If I am a performer I would prefer to sell 100k in tickets to every show and have 20k leave early, instead of selling zero tickets.
 
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