Coaching fit.

[tusks_n_raider]

He also lost to UAB in his first year. . And lost to a Ron Zook Florida team in BR on the nc year.

He also took over an LSU program that went 4-7 and 3-8 the two years before.

He had to do a full rebuild and image rebranding at LSU in 2000 just like he has to do for us in 2007.

CKD got handed a Maserati MC20 in comparison.

It might have had some miles on it and some surface scratches but he’s drove it into a ditch worth of needing a bodyshop to fix it.

 

[81usaf92]

He also took over an LSU program that went 4-7 and 3-8 the two years before.

He had to do a full rebuild and image rebranding at LSU in 2000 just like he has to do for us in 2007.

CKD got handed a Maserati MC20 in comparison.

It might have had some miles on it and some surface scratches but he’s drove it into a ditch worth of needing a bodyshop to fix it.

 

[The Ols]

I personally am not a KD fan. We git lucky in the South Carolina game. DeBoer is responsible for the whole staff. I dont see us getting any better either. Maybe im wrong but this was embarrassing we even made Fox News geez

The next positive thing you still be the 1st…so call me surprised…how do you not see us getting better? Are you a coach? Just curious…

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

Bryant- Stallings-Saban- Deboer.

Which one of those doesn’t fit? The nice guy Mike Shula crap doesn’t work in Tuscaloosa. Hopefully sooner than later we go after Cignitti. Seems to be the right fit historically. Winning 9-10 games a year at Alabama, with the resources, facilities, etc. isn’t anything special.

Oh, here we go...

 

[tusks_n_raider]

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As in a turnaround is still possible?

Tbf that is Mich St and you have to go back 5 years to 1990 to find a winning season before CNS got there.

He had a tough job there to begin with trying to make them a somebody and as a New HC.

CNS wasn’t ever really handed the keys to a great situation from the jump.

He had to do some type of rebuild at all 3 schools while honing his craft.

CKD turned around a MWC school and a PAC-12 school quick with his current philosophy and maybe that’s good on the West Coast but it’s super not working in the Big Leagues.

He’s lost 4 games two years in a row and you have to go back to Shula to find two years like that.

That’s where the comparison ends though because both were handed two completely different programs.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Give me a break.

Final 3 years

13-2 SEC Champs and NCG runner up (WR1 and WR2 out)

11-2 Won the Sugar Bowl and Bryce had a messed up shoulder most of the year. Two losses by 4 total points.

12-2 SEC Champs and lost in the Semis in OT to the eventual NC

You have to add up CNS’s final FIVE seasons combined to hit 8 losses.

Yes, and NIL didn't begin until 2021, so there's a little bit of a different culture.

Plus, we went from blasting everyone off the field to a bunch of close games. We might well have only lost two games in 2022 by a total of four points, but we were 3 plays from 8-5 with a lousy O-line.

And as far as 2023, well, we were ALSO three plays from 8-5 and one of those was a 4th and 31 luck shot against a team that had just lost at home to New Mexico State by 21 points.

He wasn’t getting routinely embarrassed by anybody.

This point I cannot argue and wouldn't try.

Worst lost on the scoreboard was to UGA in the NCG but it was a 1 score game until the garbage pick 6.

The CNS slander is unreal on here.

His ‘decline’ years absolutely smoke this new staff.

Yes, but it's also a fair question of how he would have fared with the entirely new culture as it was.
He sure didn't think he could do all that well with it.


I don't think - and just to be clear, I don't for one second think this is what you're suggesting - that anyone necessarily expected DeBoer to be Nick Saban II: This Time It's Personal.

But there are just some totally brain dead things going on, too. And playing Ty Simpson injured for all that time really begs the question of whether it might have been better to go down guns blazing but without two late embarrassments in hopes of a better next year.

And Ryan Grubb is the kind of guy who throws at the one-yard line in the Super Bowl when he has Beastmode back there. Yeah I know he wasn't the one who did it - but he's the kind of guy who would.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

I personally am not a KD fan. We git lucky in the South Carolina game. DeBoer is responsible for the whole staff. I dont see us getting any better either. Maybe im wrong but this was embarrassing we even made Fox News geez

Yeah, we have already surmised that based on previous posts...

 

[SeventhHeavenRanch7777@gm]

The next positive thing you still be the 1st…so call me surprised…how do you not see us getting better? Are you a coach? Just curious…

Not getting better. It always has ansalways will start will leadership at the top. It started last year when they told a player to get off of the field and he didn't leave. Players know if a coach is disciplined to set boundaries and whether or not he has the toughness to be in the SEC. I know we have to give him at least next year but I personally dont see much change coming. I have been in leadership roles and I still am. Some of players acted like they didn't even want to be there. Like others have said we start out ok at the beginning of the season then we fall off. We got lucky against SC. kD might be a nice guy but my personal opinion he is not BAMA material

 

[The Ols]

No we just expect more than what we are getting for $70 million

Not getting better. It always has ansalways will start will leadership at the top. It started last year when they told a player to get off of the field and he didn't leave. Players know if a coach is disciplined to set boundaries and whether or not he has the toughness to be in the SEC. I know we have to give him at least next year but I personally dont see much change coming. I have been in leadership roles and I still am. Some of players acted like they didn't even want to be there. Like others have said we start out ok at the beginning of the season then we fall off. We got lucky against SC. kD might be a nice guy but my personal opinion he is not BAMA material

Sometimes the off season can’t get here fast enough…one year wonders fade away…

 

[BamaNation]

The key to success is not to be changing coaches every 2-3 years. All one needs to do is look at the cow college to realize that approach does.not.work. Unless a guy is a total disaster and urgent action is needed (in over his head, criminal offenses, policy violations, etc), then we have to give him time to work the process. We should have been in the playoffs last year and we were this year. Yes, we lost some that we should not have in both seasons and that the GOAT (probably) wouldn't have , but the call for CKD's head isn't based in reason.

Now, if we want to talk about certain position coaches or coordinators getting ejected, I'm all for it. But rotating through head coaches in this environment of transfer portal re-opening after a coaching change will cause nothing but chaos. Redirect your frustrations.

 

[81usaf92]

As in a turnaround is still possible?

Tbf that is Mich St and you have to go back 5 years to 1990 to find a winning season before CNS got there.

He had a tough job there to begin with trying to make them a somebody and as a New HC.

CNS wasn’t ever really handed the keys to a great situation from the jump.

He had to do some type of rebuild at all 3 schools while honing his craft.

CKD turned around a MWC school and a PAC-12 school quick with his current philosophy and maybe that’s good on the West Coast but it’s super not working in the Big Leagues.

He’s lost 4 games two years in a row and you have to go back to Shula to find two years like that.

That’s where the comparison ends though because both were handed two completely different programs.

I think you missed the point or it wasn’t clear. That is Michigan newspaper not just calling for Nick Saban’s head but also questioning should Tom Brady be the quarterback at Michigan over Drew Henson. The point is that both questions were questions that made perfect sense to fans at the time. But how foolish do they look now? It’s easy to project and say “he will never make it” after the fact but too often we are finding ourselves eating our words as fans. I think we can see major problems but to suggest that he can’t fix it is like all the people saying he can’t recruit. I think until the story is finished we are just assuming.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

bama fans are one of the most sad sack, sore loser fan bases.

IMHO, that is based on just a few posters here and resident trolls...

 

[tusks_n_raider]

I think you missed the point or it wasn’t clear. That is Michigan newspaper not just calling for Nick Saban’s head but also questioning should Tom Brady be the quarterback at Michigan over Drew Henson. The point is that both questions were questions that made perfect sense to fans at the time. But how foolish do they look now? It’s easy to project and say “he will never make it” after the fact but too often we are finding ourselves eating our words as fans. I think we can see major problems but to suggest that he can’t fix it is like all the people saying he can’t recruit. I think until the story is finished we are just assuming.

Fair enough.

I’m just trying to read into things based on what we know right now and how things seem to be trending.

It’s concerning to continue to see the same issues manifest the same results and why I can’t see a path of improvement.

Either way it feels like 2026 is going to be the make or break season.

If we keep treading the same path I don’t see the staff surviving to 2027.

If real changes and improvements are going to be made this off season is it.

 

[CoolBreeze]

The key to success is not to be changing coaches every 2-3 years. All one needs to do is look at the cow college to realize that approach does.not.work. Unless a guy is a total disaster and urgent action is needed (in over his head, criminal offenses, policy violations, etc), then we have to give him time to work the process. We should have been in the playoffs last year and we were this year. Yes, we lost some that we should not have in both seasons and that the GOAT (probably) wouldn't have , but the call for CKD's head isn't based in reason.

Now, if we want to talk about certain position coaches or coordinators getting ejected, I'm all for it. But rotating through head coaches in this environment of transfer portal re-opening after a coaching change will cause nothing but chaos. Redirect your frustrations.

EXACTLY, the way I feel. Good post.

 

[Ole Man Dan]

Yep, they made us quit and beat us by 35 to boot.

Advice borrowed from Mario Cristobal...
Play hard, Play tough, Play with Violence.
I didn't see anything like that out of Alabama.
Probably why we got our butt stomped.
That and our coaches were really bad.
LASTLY...
Alabama was soft...
We need to hit the weight room like Scott Cothren was there pushing us.

 

[TiderJack]

Oh, here we go...

You knew the sky is falling was going to come very hard as expected with our fanbase and I'm sure the UGA and OSU fans are screaming also. Every loss brings this and it is over the top. I was embarrassed as anyone yesterday but I am not going to walk around with a torch in my hand. He will have his guys next year for the most part if the portal does not kill us and let's be honest, Ty was pretty bad the 2nd half of the season. Let's see what happens next year.

 

[denver]

Justifiably, the HC and OC are getting most of the comments but I also think we totally underperformed on special teams...I have no idea who that coach is but we need upgrades at Kicker and Punter next year...we should be able to get the best out there.

 

[bamaclimber]

I'm really struggling to make sense of the SEC Conference Championship game and the Rose Bowl. In those two games, a coach heralded for his offense-oriented style, scored a combined 10 points, while giving up 66 points.

To put the UGA loss in perspective, DeBoer (again, offense minded coach), scored 7 points in the SEC Championship game. Ole Miss, with a defense-oriented coach, coaching in only his second game as a head coach, and in the midst of a coaching staff overhaul (losing Kiffin), scored 37 points in the Orange Bowl.

I know the offensive line was huge issue, but was it so bad that it could only get 10 points in 8 quarters of football? Wouldn't most coaches, much less a DeBoer-level coach, be able to get 10 points out of that line? It's baffling.

I have no idea how to evaluate DeBoer right now, except to say his losses look WAY worse than his wins, and some of those wins were more luck than pluck and grit.

 

[InsaneMustang]

Justifiably, the HC and OC are getting most of the comments but I also think we totally underperformed on special teams...I have no idea who that coach is but we need upgrades at Kicker and Punter next year...we should be able to get the best out there.

While I don't disagree, I think this is the least of our concerns. I'm more concerned with the trenches on both sides of the ball.

 

[KrAzY3]

One thing I think should be clear is you can be dissatisfied but that doesn't mean fire the coach. Now if you end up with Cignetti on the line and he wants to take the job, sure, fire the coach.

Otherwise though? You have to have a replacement, look at the clown shows you've seen elsewhere in the process. Fire a coach who won 75% of their games then hope it falls into your lap. Then you have winners and losers, one team got their guy, the other didn't, so on so forth.

Even if I review the entire DeBoer hiring process, there were some clear better hires in my mind (like Lanning) who may or may not have been attainable, there was Cignetti who wasn't on my radar but no one paid me 7 figures to figure out the next coach either, and someone like Norvell who was as fool's gold as fool's gold could be. Even with Kiffin, I had him back to back with DeBoer and both still have glaring downsides and obvious upsides.

So, it isn't fire the coach and then see what happens. I do think however meaningful change needs to be made to what DeBoer is doing. People keep pointing at Grubb, but I reiterate, DeBoer does this without Grubb! I said this would happen with Grubb, but I also pointed out a lot of it was happening last year, just no one noticed because the QB runs hid the lack of true running game and under utilization of running backs.

Things just got worse this year, which is another DeBoer feature, not necessarily a Grubb feature. Grubb runs DeBoer's system, DeBoer's system treats the running game like an afterthought. The solution is to stop doing that and hire people capable of addressing something that's obviously not in DeBoer's area of expertise.

To that point, DeBoer's first power conference job as an OC (so no Grubb) saw their running game fall over 20 places to become ranked in the 100s. Same running back from the previous season, that's DeBoer's offense, not Grubb's... last year, ratios were actually the same if you remove the QB scrambles, no Grubb in sight.

So... systemic problem, needs to be fixed, hires need to be made, it's not about who you fire it's about who you hire. I don't think it's unfixable though, bring in some coaches who have expertise in this area (after Sheridan left you have about a third of Indiana's entire staff costs freed up), bring in some players via the portal who can as well. Then let's see where things go.