Coaching fit.

I'm with you on that.
I admired some of the Franchione teams and some of the players for Mike Shula because they were playing handicapped by sanctions, but a lot of those guys gave it their all. They often were not the best athletes or the better team, but they busted their butts for Bama. I get choked up talking about Lane Bearden kicking with a bad knee. Huge admiration for that kind of dedication.
I can accept Bama losing, but please do not lose from lack of effort. Jogging on the field, for example, when hustle might have made a difference is a bad look.
You took words from my mouth. Lane Bearden is my ideal Bama player who gave all.

The players I see at Bama without any kind of purpose or hustle or pride -- majority of them atleast. I would have to say it started declining around later years of CNS era.
 
I'm looking for staff changes and results.

I was here talking about some of these issues last year. DeBoer knew about them as well obviously, so that does signal some stubbornness when it comes to his approach. But! Being stubborn doesn't mean you'll never change. We're seeing movement with the players, if we see similar movement with the staff I'll just have to hope that he got the idea that you need an actual running game and a degree of physicality to be consistent at this level. There might be some growing pains, but I imagine we'll know soon enough if he's serious about this or not.
Serious question- has there ever been a successful example of a coach that was directed to make staff changes by the AD who ended up turning it around?

Not saying DeBoer has been directed to do that, but one way or the other if I don’t see some staff changes beyond dudes who left for other jobs, I will not be very optimistic of the direction of the program. And maybe I’m wrong but I think history and trends across the sport support that.
 
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You're fine.
You're right, everyone has an opinion and yours is welcome.
Keep expressing it, but please do not let your writing cross over into ad hominem attacks of other posters (not saying you have thus far, just stay aware of it in the future.)
I good with that as long as they dont attack me we all have our opinions have a great day
 
You took words from my mouth. Lane Bearden is my ideal Bama player who gave all.

The players I see at Bama without any kind of purpose or hustle or pride -- majority of them atleast. I would have to say it started declining around later years of CNS era.

Correlation, "Portal and NIL" which CNS called when it all began. Don't wanna compete?! Just leave.
 
Serious question- has there ever been a successful example of a coach that was directed to make staff changes by the AD who ended up turning it around?

Not saying DeBoer has been directed to do that, but one way or the other if I don’t see some staff changes beyond dudes who left for other jobs, I will not be very optimistic of the direction of the program. And maybe I’m wrong but I think history and trends across the sport support that.
I'm not really sure that we're dealing with that anyway...

But, I was from day one concerned about this because I saw it as a fit issue. It isn't that that DeBoer does doesn't work, but look at where it's worked. It's worked on the west coast, it's worked at NAIA, the SEC is a whole different animal. I think the hard lesson for DeBoer (who really has very limited FBS and power conference experience) is that just because you can get away with something doesn't mean you should do it. I get why he went pass heavy and relied on the QB so much, it's a shortcut. When it works it makes your job easier, but this level of competition has far lower tolerances for that sort of thing.

So to me it's just a bit of learning on the job, if he really takes it to heart I think things should be fine. The way I'm looking at it is this, if this team actually does learn to run block well and use the running backs as more than a change of pace, this team is going to be very hard to beat. They won some games basically with one hand tied behind their back.
 
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Here’s the thing: we hired the best available coach at the time Saban retired, based on resume.

No one in their right mind would have been excited had we passed up a guy like CKD for Cignetti in January 2024. True, he coached at UA previously but not even as a coordinator. He’d been a position coach 13 years previously, which is practically a lifetime given how the game evolved during that time.

Directly comparing their resumes as of January 2024, the only real advantage you’d give Cignetti was that he’d been a head coach for 13 years as opposed to 9 for CKD. Even so, CKD’s win percentage was higher and he had more hardware. Anyone who says we should’ve hired Cignetti in January 2024 is engaging in revisionist history based heavily in recency bias.

What Cignetti has done at Indiana is impressive for sure - but even that needs to be examined beyond the 2025 Rose Bowl. He faced the 60th toughest schedule nationally at the end of the 2025 regular season per Sagarin, and the 103rd toughest schedule in 2024.

IMO, football games are played in more of a vacuum these days than they used to be. I think the Rose Bowl was a really bad day for our team that made us look far worse than we actually were, and made Indiana look far better than they actually are. The narrative that “we were whipped physically” and that “Bama is soft” is easy to derive from the outcome of that game but IMO isn’t completely indicative of the team’s performance this season.

Earlier in the season we held the nation’s #2 running back to 52 yards against Mizzou (Ahmad Hardy ran for 1,649 yards this season and averaged 127 yards per game). Mizzou as a team averaged 228 ypg rushing (8th nationally and 1st in the SEC) and we held them to 160 yards. Oklahoma ran for 129 yards combined in their two games against us, good for 65 yards per game. Soft teams don’t post those kinds of stat lines against quality SEC opponents. Indiana ran for 215 yards on us, but around 70 of that came in the 4th quarter when the defense was completely gassed because the offense couldn’t stay on the field.

There are some things that need to be cleaned up, offensive line chief of those things. We aren’t ever going to look like the 2011 Alabama offense under CKD because that’s not who he is philosophically, but with better line play we will have a respectable running game and a dynamic passing game. Staying on the field won’t be an issue for the offense if we can fix that. We’ve had two consecutive seasons in the top 20 nationally in scoring defense, holding opponents under 20 ppg average for both seasons. Fix the line play on offense and I think we will be a championship caliber team. Honestly, to get 11 wins, a CFP appearance, a CFP win, a trip to Atlanta, and wins over all major rivals (plus a regular season win at UGA) is one heck of a coaching job considering how atrocious the line play was at times this season.

Some of y’all are being way too reactionary based on one (possibly two) games. Gene Stallings got absolutely smashed by the likes of Louisville and Florida his first two seasons and won a national title in his third season. As for temperament, I saw CKD get pretty dang fiery at times this season but I also think that’s an overrated coaching attribute. The fieriest, most intense coach I’ve ever seen is Will Muschamp and we know how that turned out.

I don’t know if CKD works out long-term but he’s literally off to as good of an overall start in his first two seasons as any Bama coach in the modern era (20 wins - one game better than Saban, two games better than Stallings, three games better than Fran, four games better than Curry and miles ahead of the Mikes and Perkins).

If he regresses in year three then I think there’s a legitimate discussion about his fitness for the job. I also think Cignetti has had a bit of a lightning in a bottle situation at Indiana and I’ll personally be surprised if he sustains it, especially considering his age. Larry Coker, Gene Chizik and Gus Malzahn looked like world beaters early in their tenures at Miami and AU. Malzahn in particular got to the national title game after a 3-9 season the prior year with a cast of transfers and “lesser” players, and we know how that turned out.

Let’s hold off calling CKD a bust and crowning Cignetti the next Saban just yet. See what happens next season.
I wish I could like this 1000 times. Thank you.

I'm personally sick of hearing about IU and CC!!! They haven't even won the grand prize yet (and I hope they don't) but the boy love for CC reminds me of a bunch of Taylor Swifties fans.
 
Absolutely right. At a place like Alabama, it is difficult to take on a "promising looking prospect" as head coach. Alabama probably can't try that experiment. Indiana could.
We would have to get back to 1999-2007 levels of desperation to try that.
Folks are struggling with the thought buried deep in their head that Saban left this in a lot worse shape than they thought.

You have the director of player development begging people to show him consistent play from the people leaving the program.

There is no hierarchy of leadership from the upperclassmen, no demand for excellence.

DeBoer will have to tighten the reins, or bring in hungry, self motivated players who will drag these guys to excellence, or push them out of the way.
 
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I wish I could like this 1000 times. Thank you.

I'm personally sick of hearing about IU and CC!!! They haven't even won the grand prize yet (and I hope they don't) but the boy love for CC reminds me of a bunch of Taylor Swifties fans.
What gets me is Indiana is no different than Oregon, there’s a billionaire footing this bill for this veteran team. Cignetti hasn’t discovered some magical formula, he’s Vanderbilt with deeper pockets.
 
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What gets me is Indiana is no different than Oregon, there’s a billionaire footing this bill for this veteran team. Cignetti hasn’t discovered some magical formula, he’s Vanderbilt with deeper pockets.
That's not at all the situation as I understand it.

First, the discussion to get Cuban on board (I heard Cuban talk about it months ago) was this past off-season. At that point Cignetti had already 11-2 and made the playoffs. I'm sure his success was a big part of selling Cuban on helping out.

Secondly, Phil Knight's net worth is something like 5 times as much as Cuban's, and Knight has from what I'm aware of over 100 times the investment Cuban has made (which still doesn't cut into his net worth much, if Cuban spent that much his worth would drop considerably). That's not really comparable. While that number is probably going up due to the ROI Cuban got in terms of Indiana in the playoff, this past off-season as I understand it Alabama was still out-spending Indiana.

It's easy though for Cignetti to get boosters to spend when he can demonstrate such immediate results and that could be problematic for other programs going forward because he got this going with very limited resources and the money thus far appears very well spent. This contrasts even with Alabama, which went out not that long ago and paid 47 million for a golf practice facility. I'm sure rich boosters wanted it, but ultimately what do they have to show for it? Not much, whereas Cuban's investment is still playing in the playoffs.

So it isn't about money, Alabama has money, it's about the intelligence and willpower to spend it in a way that puts it to good use. The University of Alabama is littered with dumb junk boosters bought that don't really do anything, a guy like Cuban wants his money to do something though and it is. That's the real problem here, he knows how to put it to use.
 
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Folks are struggling with the thought buried deep in their head that Saban left this in a lot worse shape than they thought.

You have the director of player development begging people to show him consistent play from the people leaving the program.

There is no hierarchy of leadership from the upperclassmen, no demand for excellence.

DeBoer will have to tighten the reins, or bring in hungry, self motivated players who will drag these guys to excellence, or push them out of the way.
Yep. Tough task. Striking the right balance is difficult, and way different from what it was in 2007.
That's why he is getting paid the money he's getting paid.
 
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Exactly. Go back to when Saban was talking about players having "anxiety" and using that as an excuse for things. That's when things started to slip.

"Anxiety"...Here you have the "modern player". While it's been going on for years its gotten worse with kids being forced to grow up sooner. NIL and the portal have changed the way kids look at the game and their place in it. Not that many years ago players generally grew up in college. They signed, spent a redshirt year on the bench and gradually adjusted to a grown up world. It's certainly not like that anymore is it? Players are coming in with the expectation of starting or playing immediately and if not they will transfer out. The easy out (portal) has softened these kids making it easy to escape instead of having the resolve to push themselves. The mental maturity is not there for many of them hence the "anxiety" comment. I think that's partly why Saban retired. He saw what was happening, didn't like it and didn't want to deal with it. I believe it takes a new type of coach and new type of system to deal with the "modern player". CKD seems like that guy and hopefully he makes the adjustments necessary to have a successful 3rd season. Not that this season was bad but some of our losses were so un-Alabama it left behind a bit of a stain on the season.
 
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