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Coaching Shake-Up's

4Q Basket Case said:
Terry, I'm reminded of two imminently forgettable hires...Gerry Faust at Notre Dame, and Press Maravich into LSU's basketball program.

Gerry Faust was a spectacularly successful high school coach at Moeller (or was it Massillon?) of Ohio. In either case a program of which Hoover High School can only hope to be a faint shadow. Hired as Head Coach of Notre Dame, he failed miserably. Good guy. Better man. Hopelessly overmatched by the transition from a high school program, no matter how storied, to a top-level D-1 school. Doomed to failure from the first day on the job.

Press Maravich was not only the high school coach of perhaps the best guard ever to dribble a basketball, but also had the great good fortune to have sired him. He went from a high school coach in Raleigh, NC, to a head coach at LSU, with his primary strength being the fact that he'd bring his son, Pete, to LSU. About 15 minutes after Pete finished his eligibility, Press was mired in a perpetually losing situation (nevermind the fact that the SEC was pretty much Kentucky and the 9 dwarves at the time), and was summarily fired.

Giving the Arkansas OC job to Mitch Mustain's high school coach, when Mustain himself has reopened his recruitment, smacks of desperation on the part of Broyles and fear on the part of Nutt.

This won't end well for Arkansas.
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Don't sell Alabama HS football short. Moeller used to invite top teams from out-of-state to come in and play them. Moeller usually won easily, but then they made the mistake of inviting Butler of Huntsville in for a game. Butler drug them up and down the field and literally kicked their butts. I think it was something like 35-6. That same year, Butler got eliminated in the Alabama HS playoffs in the quarter-finals or something like that and Moeller went on to win the Ohio state championship if my memory serves me right.

A good team from Alabama will dang sure be more than a "faint shadow" when compared to Ohio teams.
 
pike said:
By my estimation, Butch Davis is the front runner for approximately 27 different head coaching positions in college and pro football, as well as 3 different coaching positions for womens ping pong, and 1 for lacrosse.
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And Fraud is not on anyone's list. Hehee.
 
Alabama team plays Moeller

You are correct in that an Alabama team played Moeller, but the team that played Moeller was Johnson High. They are also from Huntsville.
 
TommyMac said:
Don't sell Alabama HS football short. Moeller used to invite top teams from out-of-state to come in and play them. Moeller usually won easily, but then they made the mistake of inviting Butler of Huntsville in for a game. Butler drug them up and down the field and literally kicked their butts. I think it was something like 35-6. That same year, Butler got eliminated in the Alabama HS playoffs in the quarter-finals or something like that and Moeller went on to win the Ohio state championship if my memory serves me right.

A good team from Alabama will dang sure be more than a "faint shadow" when compared to Ohio teams.
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Sorry for the late reply, Tommy. Long day at work.

I agree that a good team from Alabama will compete well and win often against a good team from Ohio.

My comment about a faint shadow was really intended for the program, not any given team in any one year. Moeller and Massilon have been powerhouses feeding Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan and Penn State for literally 50 years....maybe more, I don't know. My father worked as a salesman covering the entire midwest, and still talks about the Moeller - Massilon games from the late 1940s and early 1950s.

Hoover has had a great run in the last 10 years or so...no doubt about it. But the measure of a program, as opposed to a team, is sustained excellence over an extended period of time. Let's talk in 30 years and see where we are. My guess is that Hoover HS will be split up into two or more smaller schools, much like what happened to Central High School in Tuscaloosa. I'd also bet that Moeller and Massilon will still be there.
 
Odd...

how that classification thing has worked out. In Huntsville, the "inner-city" schools keep drifting down a class, and, I've heard, that Buckhorn, outside HSV, will move up to 6A next year. I guess it's the shift in population. They've already paved a lot of Jefferson County and Madison County is right behind. Alabama keeps getting more "top-heavy."
 
WR's coach?

Are there any plans to shake up the wide reciever's coaches? Is there any indication on focusing more on beating the press coverage and catching the ball? The offensive line problems will get better with experience, but the wr's have had 2 full years of coaching and are not much better than they were when they stepped on the campus......
 
mark4tide said:
In my opinion I think Alabama will be shopping for a new OC after the cotton bowl. I would love to see some stability in the staff but I don't think it will happen. This is just my opinion so please go easy on me.
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I heard that Radar was offered the Rice HC job today.
 
Speaking of more coaching shake-ups, looks like Fraud hired a new DC to replace Torbush.

Gary Darnell... who "successfully" coached the Western Michigan Broncos to a 1-10 season this year. The Texags boards are comedy gold.
 
pike said:
Speaking of more coaching shake-ups, looks like Fraud hired a new DC to replace Torbush.

Gary Darnell... who "successfully" coached the Western Michigan Broncos to a 1-10 season this year. The Texags boards are comedy gold.
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From what I understand, when he took over at WMU, he had 3 straight winning seasons and played for the conference championship. Since then, he has reeled off 4 straight losing seasons including the 1-10 mark in 2004 you mentioned. He seems to be a good X's and O's coach, but a miserable recruiter. He might not be as bad as you think as defensive coordinator.
 
cbi1972: You may be exactly right. I remember being just a little skittish about Coach Kines when he was first hired by Price, and then he promptly blew my fears away with the defense he has fielded every year. With our LBs, he's turning hard workers into All-Stars.

I would have to say that if this hire truly comes to pass for A&M, that this is a far bigger gamble, and the mess on the Ags defense is pretty serious this year. I guess he can't do much worse.

Makes me appreciate the situation we currently have.
 
4Q Basket Case said:
Hoover has had a great run in the last 10 years or so...no doubt about it. But the measure of a program, as opposed to a team, is sustained excellence over an extended period of time. Let's talk in 30 years and see where we are. My guess is that Hoover HS will be split up into two or more smaller schools, much like what happened to Central High School in Tuscaloosa. I'd also bet that Moeller and Massilon will still be there.
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Hoover has already been split. Spain Park High School was build just a few years ago to alleviate the overcrowding at Hoover and also to give a shorter commute to the Hoover students from the east side. Hoover High School had an enrollment of over 2000 students at one time. They are now at 1600+ and Spain Park is around 1000, but Spain Park serves the fast-growing US280 area of Hoover and will continue to increase in enrollment.

Several years ago, a student from the Greystone area(southeastern extent of Hoover) would normally have endured a 30-45 minute commute to Hoover High School, which is located in about the middle of the northwestern quadrant of the city. The commute to Spain Park is now probably 15 to 20 minutes.

If Hoover continues current growth, it is likely that another high school will be created in a few years. I don't see that endangering Hoover's athletic program, however. Spain Park is already a competitor in the harsh Class 6A Region 6, which includes Hoover, Mountain Brook, Vestavia Hills, Pelham, Thompson(Alabaster) and Oak Mountain. Last year, they qualified for the playoffs with a 6-3 record. This year, their season took a dip(5-5) with the injury to Neil Caudle, but they'll be in the mix again soon.
 
ESPN article reporting Dan Hawkins from Boise State to be next HC at Colorado with a $700,000 buyout. He would have been my top pick 53-10 at Boise St.
 
GrayTide said:
ESPN article reporting Dan Hawkins from Boise State to be next HC at Colorado with a $700,000 buyout. He would have been my top pick 53-10 at Boise St.
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I wonder if Bosie State is big enough for Boges to consider? Nah, Terry Bowden would be a better fit for the smerf turf. :wink:
 
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