The primary concern appears to be the Escalation Of Force (EOF) procedure used by the officer. At first blush, six shots on an unarmed target seems excessive.
Cop in MO kills unarmed black teen
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At first blush, yes.
But then again - neither you nor I were there. Tox might make this interesting - plus unlike a lot of civilians, who carry weapons specifically designed to kill intruders, cops TEND to use weapons specifically designed to STOP but NOT KILL suspects. Idk what kind of weapon the officer was using.
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It all hinges on whether or not MB was charging. In a life-threatening situation, you keep firing until the danger stops. If there was no danger, the first shot was one too many.
The term unarmed keeps rearing it's head. A large angry man with intent to harm you is every bit as dangerous....
Yeah, like some might not want a full blown riot on their hands if the "truth" comes out. That will stiffen some necks...
But according to witnesses he was in the process of surrendering when he was shot.
Initial reports used the term 'executed'. Not sure we'll ever know the truth.
The family has released the private autopsy results, here are the entrance / exit wounds:
Initial reports used the term 'executed'. Not sure we'll ever know the truth.
The family has released the private autopsy results, here are the entrance / exit wounds:
Very interesting bullet pattern for someone that was surrendering.
A large "unarmed" man grabbed a "small" store clerk and shook him and pushed him like a rag doll.
Initial reports used the term 'executed'. Not sure we'll ever know the truth.
The family has released the private autopsy results, here are the entrance / exit wounds:
Is it racist that they used the likeness of a fit white man to show the entry/exit points of the wounds? One more thing for Jesse/Al and their band of "merry" men to raise cane.
Hold up, wait one second there. People who knew him said he was quiet and shy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html
I would be very interested in the trajectories of the extremity wounds. A surrendering pose would create a markedly different trajectory through the body than an attacking pose.
Holding up one's arms doesn't always equate to surrender.
Especially if they are charging towards you....arms raised and/or extended.
And they are large and of an intimidating personality.
Especially if they are charging towards you....arms raised and/or extended.
And they are large and of an intimidating personality.
I want to know who are the "witnesses" that are claiming Brown was getting down on his knees with his arms raised in the air when the officer commenced to shooting? I think the truth ultimately lies somewhere in the middle of the PD's testimony and the resident's testimonies. Taken each one at their face value, there's just too much difference in the two for either to be completely accurate.
FWIW, in the context of the larger protests, the exact details of the shooting do and don't matter. Most folks didn't get out there because Michael Brown was killed. They got out there because Michael Brown's death felt like a straw that broke the camel's back.
History is littered with cases in which the characters in the event that proved the tipping point weren't ideal (especially in cases revolving around civil liberties). But I think it is important that we recognize that what is going on is about a lot of things on a lot of levels. We (as in: all of us trying to engage this on a constructive level) must not excuse problematic blemishes in one side of the argument to dismiss problematic blemishes on our own side of the argument. One thing that seems pretty clear is that in any human endeavor this complicated, there are flaws and blemishes all over the place.
I say this to point out that this seems to be one of those points where well intentioned individuals from both sides (I hesitate to even put it into a simple binary) can sit there and talk right past each other, each growing more and more frustrated that the other doesn't get it. I'll point to the 7 Habits of Highly Effective People: "First seek to understand, then to be understood."
History is littered with cases in which the characters in the event that proved the tipping point weren't ideal (especially in cases revolving around civil liberties). But I think it is important that we recognize that what is going on is about a lot of things on a lot of levels. We (as in: all of us trying to engage this on a constructive level) must not excuse problematic blemishes in one side of the argument to dismiss problematic blemishes on our own side of the argument. One thing that seems pretty clear is that in any human endeavor this complicated, there are flaws and blemishes all over the place.
I say this to point out that this seems to be one of those points where well intentioned individuals from both sides (I hesitate to even put it into a simple binary) can sit there and talk right past each other, each growing more and more frustrated that the other doesn't get it. I'll point to the 7 Habits of Highly Effective People: "First seek to understand, then to be understood."
Initial reports used the term 'executed'. Not sure we'll ever know the truth.
The family has released the private autopsy results, here are the entrance / exit wounds:
If the officer was trying to kill someone who was surrendering, he apparently wasn't a very good shot.
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