COVID-19 Vaccines and Related Issues Part XIII

[We_are_Bama]

@crimsonaudio Not really 🤣 I should have used blue font on that one. That was a joke about the insanity of the almighty Alex Jones what he "shockingly revealed" this past week 😂

 

[jthomas666]

Just when I though I was finally gonna get a good night's sleep, my lungs decided it was time to start coughing up phlegm. I should probably grateful they waited until my torso had recovered, else I'd have spent the night coughing AND screaming...

 

[AWRTR]

And flu typicaly kills tens of thousands every year. As a population, our right to live freely and spread illnesses seems to be more important than our individual right to remain healthy, which coincidentally seems to be no different than our gun culture's right to bear arms vs. more and more innocent folks getting shot and/or killed. It seems to be related in the end to our victim blaming culture. However, the good news is we are at least consistent.

Disease has been a part of human life as long as humanity has existed. You will never eliminate it. The best we can do is treat and manage. If your solution is lock downs and masks forever you are living in a dream world. The majority of masks don’t do anything. A well fitted n-95 helps in an enclosed area. The surgical masks and clothe masks don‘t work if you are exposed to a sick person for any period of time. I got vaccinated and had two break through cases after that. I try to avoid people that are sick and go about life managing my risk. All of life is risk management. You want to shut down the world every year for the flu too?

 

[jthomas666]

Disease has been a part of human life as long as humanity has existed. You will never eliminate it. The best we can do is treat and manage [emphasis added]. If your solution is lock downs and masks forever you are living in a dream world. The majority of masks don’t do anything. A well fitted n-95 helps in an enclosed area. The surgical masks and clothe masks don‘t work if you are exposed to a sick person for any period of time. I got vaccinated and had two break through cases after that.

The difficulty arises from the definition of "manage". Or perhaps more to the point, should we just blithely accept that COVID is going to be as common as the flu, or should we take reasonable steps to contain it? And then, how do we define "responsible"?

Who gets to determine management protocols, particularly in public places such as schools? Should vaccinations be required for students attending school?

 

[We_are_Bama]

The difficulty arises from the definition of "manage". Or perhaps more to the point, should we just blithely accept that COVID is going to be as common as the flu, or should we take reasonable steps to contain it? And then, how do we define "responsible"?

Who gets to determine management protocols, particularly in public places such as schools? Should vaccinations be required for students attending school?

But is it STILL as bad of a problem now as it was 3 and a half years ago? Have we not made any strides? I know several people who were very adversely affected by the virus. And they would vehemently oppose even the very thought of going back to any form of lockdown. China had REAL lockdowns, not varying degrees of stay at home/shelter in place orders like the U.S. had. And they never eliminated COVID. If their mitigation strategies didn't wipe it out, I don't know what will

 

[jthomas666]

But is it STILL as bad of a problem now as it was 3 and a half years ago? Have we not made any strides? I know several people who were very adversely affected by the virus. And they would vehemently oppose even the very thought of going back to any form of lockdown. China had REAL lockdowns, not varying degrees of stay at home/shelter in place orders like the U.S. had. And they never eliminated COVID. If their mitigation strategies didn't wipe it out, I don't know what will

I never said anything about lockdowns; my point focused mainly on vaccine requirements--though a similar question concerning masks could probably be inferred.

Have we made strides? Well, we have vaccines that seem to annenuate the worst of the symptoms. That has certainly helped, but it's also helped that the virus mutated into a less virulent strain.

I'm fully vaccinated and still suffered two breakthrough cases, one during the initial Omicron outbreak and one right now. Both of my cases can be linked to school outbreaks--I caught the first from my wife, a high school teacher, and the second frome my youngest child, enrolled at a HS where is covid is running rampant due to lax mask/quarantine policies.

Now, sure, this second case was not as bad as the first. But at the same time, I'm 60, I have more than a few risk factors, and I don't particularly care to play Russian Roulette on a regular basis.

Does that mean that the entire region should just go on lockdown just to protect me? Of course not. Does it mean that schools should take reasonable precautions--i.e., vaccines and masks--to protect not just their own students but at risk people in the general population? I think so.

 

[NationalTitles18]

The majority of masks don’t do anything.

Citation needed.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Citation needed.

Also, you have to define "mask." I've had servicemen coming to my house, asking if they needed to pull their bandannas up, while I was wearing a KN95...

 

[AWRTR]

Citation needed.

Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy

There have been extensive randomized controlled trial (RCT) studies, and meta-analysis reviews of RCT studies, which all show that masks and respirators do not work to prevent respiratory influenza-like illnesses, or respiratory illnesses believed to be transmitted by droplets and aerosol...

www.rcreader.com

 

[AWRTR]

Also, you have to define "mask." I've had servicemen coming to my house, asking if they needed to pull their bandannas up, while I was wearing a KN95...

Absolutely. Most people wear poor fitting masks with your breath coming out the sides and top. That does absolutely nothing.

 

[AWRTR]

I never said anything about lockdowns; my point focused mainly on vaccine requirements--though a similar question concerning masks could probably be inferred.

Have we made strides? Well, we have vaccines that seem to annenuate the worst of the symptoms. That has certainly helped, but it's also helped that the virus mutated into a less virulent strain.

I'm fully vaccinated and still suffered two breakthrough cases, one during the initial Omicron outbreak and one right now. Both of my cases can be linked to school outbreaks--I caught the first from my wife, a high school teacher, and the second frome my youngest child, enrolled at a HS where is covid is running rampant due to lax mask/quarantine policies.

Now, sure, this second case was not as bad as the first. But at the same time, I'm 60, I have more than a few risk factors, and I don't particularly care to play Russian Roulette on a regular basis.

Does that mean that the entire region should just go on lockdown just to protect me? Of course not. Does it mean that schools should take reasonable precautions--i.e., vaccines and masks--to protect not just their own students but at risk people in the general population? I think so.

The problem is we’ve established that vaccines don’t prevent transmission. I had the same breakthroughs as you. I do think the vaccine made my symptoms much more manageable.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Absolutely. Most people wear poor fitting masks with your breath coming out the sides and top. That does absolutely nothing.

or worse yet the chin diaper.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy

There have been extensive randomized controlled trial (RCT) studies, and meta-analysis reviews of RCT studies, which all show that masks and respirators do not work to prevent respiratory influenza-like illnesses, or respiratory illnesses believed to be transmitted by droplets and aerosol...

www.rcreader.com

I am sorry you have fallen for this ruse.

This paper was originally published at Rancourt's account on ResearchGate.net. As of June 5, 2020, this paper was removed from his profile by its administrators at Researchgate.net/profile/D_Rancourt.

 

[jthomas666]

The problem is we’ve established that vaccines don’t prevent transmission. I had the same breakthroughs as you. I do think the vaccine made my symptoms much more manageable.

Exactly what is your point here? Covid vaccines reduce the risk of infection (per the CDC, up to 91 percent--that's why breakthrough cases are called "breakthrough cases"). They also genereally reduce the severity and length of the symptoms. In other words, they do exactly what they're designed to do.

Once infected, however, you still can still transmit the disease--and the current iteration of Omicron is extremely contagious.

 

[92tide]

it's deja vu all over again

 

[AWRTR]

Exactly what is your point here? Covid vaccines reduce the risk of infection (per the CDC, up to 91 percent--that's why breakthrough cases are called "breakthrough cases"). They also genereally reduce the severity and length of the symptoms. In other words, they do exactly what they're designed to do.

Once infected, however, you still can still transmit the disease--and the current iteration of Omicron is extremely contagious.

If those vaccines really reduce infection 91% the moon is made of green cheese. I totally agree about the severity and length of infection. I’m sure they reduce some, but the number of people I personally know that got vaccinated and then got infected makes that claim sound stupid. I know that would be considered anecdotal, but I’m not buying that statistic.

 

[AWRTR]

I am sorry you have fallen for this ruse.

This paper was originally published at Rancourt's account on ResearchGate.net. As of June 5, 2020, this paper was removed from his profile by its administrators at Researchgate.net/profile/D_Rancourt.

New Danish Study Finds Masks Don’t Protect Wearers From COVID Infection | Jon Miltimore

“Researchers in Denmark reported on Wednesday that surgical masks did not protect the wearers against infection with the coronavirus in a large randomized clinical trial,” the New York Times reports. The study is perhaps the best scientific evidence to date on the efficacy of masks.

fee.org

How about this one. 😂

 

[92tide]

bingo

 

[NationalTitles18]

If those vaccines really reduce infection 91% the moon is made of green cheese. I totally agree about the severity and length of infection. I’m sure they reduce some, but the number of people I personally know that got vaccinated and then got infected makes that claim sound stupid. I know that would be considered anecdotal, but I’m not buying that statistic.

That is from 2021 and you are correct to be skeptical regarding the percentage that vaccines prevent infection from the latest variants - one reason why a booster is in order this fall.

 

[81usaf92]

But is it STILL as bad of a problem now as it was 3 and a half years ago? Have we not made any strides? I know several people who were very adversely affected by the virus. And they would vehemently oppose even the very thought of going back to any form of lockdown. China had REAL lockdowns, not varying degrees of stay at home/shelter in place orders like the U.S. had. And they never eliminated COVID. If their mitigation strategies didn't wipe it out, I don't know what will

I can say it’s becoming just as bad since half the country decided to just call it the common cold and never decided to take it seriously.