D.O.G.E (Department of Government Efficiency) II

CrimsonNagus

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And none of the changes by this stupid DOGE team have slowed that "clock" down in any meaningful way and it never will. Congress will never cement the needed changes. The only way to cement them would **** off the very people who elect those members to congress, which is why it will never happen.
 
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Making cuts in the wrong areas is only part of it. As far as i can tell, a lot of the people doing the slashing aren't particularly qualified. And there doesn't appear to be any oversight. So, unless you have total faith in Trump's ability to run a business...
Have you ever walked around any government office? You'll find a lot of people in their positions of big salary and power aren't qualified. You act like this is something new. LOL! I've worked in it for ten years, it's the dang norm. People get into their positions by scratching backs, doing favors and kissing buttholes. Not necessarily because they're "qualified".
 

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Have you ever walked around any government office? You'll find a lot of people in their positions of big salary and power aren't qualified. You act like this is something new. LOL! I've worked in it for ten years, it's the dang norm. People get into their positions by scratching backs, doing favors and kissing buttholes. Not necessarily because they're "qualified".
Bruh. I work in government, too, and I can assure you that I have to share oxygen with some of the dumbest people on earth. I am constantly in awe of how lazy they are, too. THE biggest reason I hate being at the office is having to listen to them talk. And I can guarantee you that one of these cerebral eunuchs will get promoted over me one day.
 
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In several DC-area government offices there are break rooms that are designated for minorities/women only. On the tables in those break rooms are assorted board games and puzzles. These break rooms are always packed. It's a nice privilege to be paid six figures to play with puzzles half the day. :rolleyes:
 

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Bruh. I work in government, too, and I can assure you that I have to share oxygen with some of the dumbest people on earth. I am constantly in awe of how lazy they are, too. THE biggest reason I hate being at the office is having to listen to them talk. And I can guarantee you that one of these cerebral eunuchs will get promoted over me one day.
I work in public education. Come hang out with me for a day and you will think you are working with NASA geothermal engineers after you meet the kids and parents I am "blessed" with...
 

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I work in public education. Come hang out with me for a day and you will think you are working with NASA geothermal engineers after you meet the kids and parents I am "blessed" with...
A good friend of mine is a special ed para at a West Omaha middle school.

They had a kid who just decided to stop coming to school. When the parents were brought in for counseling, the "Dad" complained about "why do kids have to go to school, anyway?"

From all accounts, the kid was special ed - because he was allowed to be lazy. He wasn't a necessarily unintelligent kid.

Some people shouldn't have children.
 

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A good friend of mine is a special ed para at a West Omaha middle school.

They had a kid who just decided to stop coming to school. When the parents were brought in for counseling, the "Dad" complained about "why do kids have to go to school, anyway?"

From all accounts, the kid was special ed - because he was allowed to be lazy. He wasn't a necessarily unintelligent kid.

Some people shouldn't have children.
Many years ago, I was in a grocery store, passing by a section in aisle where they had children's books. I passed by a little girl, her mom, and her grandmother. The little girl was fascinated by the selection - looking at one picture book, then another. The grandmother asked her granddaughter to pick out one she liked best, and she would buy it for her. The mom would have none of it. "She don't need no books!"

I died a little bit inside. Poor kid. :(
 

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I work in public education. Come hang out with me for a day and you will think you are working with NASA geothermal engineers after you meet the kids and parents I am "blessed" with...
Lord help you. My wife has been a school teacher in public education for 25 years and the number of unqualified teachers coming into the system is alarming. She's got five years left, and then she's pulling the plug. The time off and health insurance aren't enough to draw the good ones any longer. Some of the teachers they're allowing in the classroom are shameful.
 

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Lord help you. My wife has been a school teacher in public education for 25 years and the number of unqualified teachers coming into the system is alarming. She's got five years left, and then she's pulling the plug. The time off and health insurance aren't enough to draw the good ones any longer. Some of the teachers they're allowing in the classroom are shameful.
When you have below average pay for a professional, zero power to discipline students, and get verbally and physically assaulted constantly, it is kind of hard to pull in our best and brightest...
 

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After hearing some of the stories about the way these kids treat bus drivers, you couldn't pay me enough to do that. Hazardous duty pay.
My wife had a student (3rd grade mind you) who told her "I'll slit your throat (insert female dog name)". At first, they were debating whether to suspend him or not. I went to the principal and told her that if he was not expelled, she'd be hearing from our lawyer. He was ultimately expelled.
 

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After hearing some of the stories about the way these kids treat bus drivers, you couldn't pay me enough to do that. Hazardous duty pay.
I bought the home I live in from a bus driver, she was by far one of the worst and most awful people I've ever met in my life. I agree with you overall but hope that she gets treated horribly every single day
 

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My wife had a student (3rd grade mind you) who told her "I'll slit your throat (insert female dog name)". At first, they were debating whether to suspend him or not. I went to the principal and told her that if he was not expelled, she'd be hearing from our lawyer. He was ultimately expelled.
I have heard of local bus drivers getting threatened. I feel that in the local schools, they would probably just suspend the kid, let him back in. I have personal experience seeing bad kids screw up continually, but the school is hesitant to send them to alternative school. They just seem to want to pass the buck.

Which is why last year, when I got a call from the school's athletic director about my then 9th grader's "poor behavior", I told him you have a lot more problems to worry about than my kid, and don't call me unless my kid actually does something wrong.

The "poor behavior". Kids were competing at a track meet. One of them spilled popcorn on the field. The other school's AD yelled at them that they weren't supposed to have popcorn on the field, and that there was a sign indicating that. My kid's "poor behavior" was asking where the sign was. It was apparently not well seen.
 
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I have heard of local bus drivers getting threatened. I feel that in the local schools, they would probably just suspend the kid, let him back in. I have personal experience seeing bad kids screw up continually, but the school is hesitant to send them to alternative school. They just seem to want to pass the buck.

Which is why last year, when I got a call from the school's athletic director about my then 9th grader's "poor behavior", I told him you have a lot more problems to worry about than my kid, and don't call me unless my kid actually does something wrong.

The "poor behavior". Kids were competing at a track meet. One of them spilled popcorn on the field. The other school's AD yelled at them that they weren't supposed to have popcorn on the field, and that there was a sign indicating that. My kid's "poor behavior" was asking where the sign was. It was apparently not well seen.
That "poor behavior" is angelic compared to the stuff friends who teach in the Memphis City Schools share. It's out of control there and many of the parents literally don't care. If that's the worst your kids' AD has to deal with he should count his blessings...
 
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So.....if they're "really" finding all this "fraud".......where are the ARRESTS for those who committed the fraud?

Like everything involving Donald Trump - it's a grandiose "look over here at how great I am" charade combined with the self-control of a meth addict who has Tourette's syndrome, ADHD, and full on dementia.
 

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So.....if they're "really" finding all this "fraud".......where are the ARRESTS for those who committed the fraud?

Like everything involving Donald Trump - it's a grandiose "look over here at how great I am" charade combined with the self-control of a meth addict who has Tourette's syndrome, ADHD, and full on dementia.
I'm with you 100% but they do always say "waste, fraud, and abuse" - I suspect a vast majority of what they've found falls into the other two categories. If they do find fraud, I hope they'll pursue charges, but eliminating waste and abuse alone would save incredible sums of money.
 

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I'm with you 100% but they do always say "waste, fraud, and abuse" - I suspect a vast majority of what they've found falls into the other two categories. If they do find fraud, I hope they'll pursue charges, but eliminating waste and abuse alone would save incredible sums of money.
There is at least one other category of these cuts: necessary things that Republicans don't like. Whether it be science/medicine, the National Park Service, or Social Security, there has been little effort to actually justify many of the cuts other than simply reducing the size of government. Sooner or later, the consequences of these indiscriminate actions will matter to all of us (except for the billionaires, who can sit back and laugh).
 
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That "poor behavior" is angelic compared to the stuff friends who teach in the Memphis City Schools share. It's out of control there and many of the parents literally don't care. If that's the worst your kids' AAD has to deal with he should count his blessings...
My 16 yr old was bullied constantly by a juvenile delinquent when she was in middle school. The administration did absolutely nothing about it. I reminded the A.D. that when was whining about the popcorn incident. That he should be paying attention to a lot more stuff than this.
 
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Most recent podcast episode of "Somebody's Gotta Win" is a good level headed discussion from Mark Cuban. The episode was released yesterday and is titled "Mark Cuban Says Elon Musk Would be Fired from Tech Support".

I can't post a direct link because of language but below are a few passages that are clean.

Mark:
You know, when Elon said there's no empathy, you know, empathy is a weakness, he's proven that that's his weakness, not having empathy. Because when you do systems conversions, as much as it's IT, the only reason you're doing them is to support the customers that use the system. You know, and if there are 100 million people, what did he say?

The number was of people who were over 150 years old that were on social security.

Tara:
But the Social Security Administrator has debunked a lot of these facts.

Mark:
When you have a database that's that big, and you have government that doesn't, that can't really just take the system down, you create all these workarounds. And what he's doing is making these workarounds sound like, you know, he found this amazing thing that's creating waste and fraud when he hasn't. You know, what he hasn't done is show us a new system that works.

Because if you're going to say, well, we've, you know, we're going to update the COBOL system, you know, and take something that's been running for 50 years and make it better. Great. But you don't take down the existing system to the detriment “of all the users before your new system is up and running.

Nobody in IT has ever ever does that, right? And anybody who's worked for a big company has gone through system conversions. So great.

I love it that Doge is working on upgrading the systems and updating them. They need to be updated. I'm glad they're using new advanced technology to try to do those things.

But you don't shut down the incumbent systems before you have something to convert over to. And you don't convert over until you've tested them. That is just Tech 101.
Mark:
And we're going to cut fraud. I'm going to cut a trillion dollars, right? Within the next by May.

I think that's what Trump said, a trillion dollars by May. You know what he hasn't cut? If he truly cared about the American taxpayer, the first thing he would say is, you know what?

I'm the richest guy on the planet. I don't need all the subsidies from the federal government for Tesla's buyers. Don't need it.

You know what? I think Starlink is really better for taxpayers and everything we're doing in government. I'm going to sell it for cost.

You know what? All these SpaceX things that I'm doing, and I'm proud of the fact that we rescued the people from the space lab and all that kind of stuff. I'm doing it at cost.

I'm going to be so transparent. You're going to realize I'm not making a penny. He's not said any of those words.

Tara:
He rents space from NASA for a dollar a year, like a launch pad.

Mark:
You know what? More power to him, but give back all that margin that you're taking.

Tara:
You're like, that's a good deal.

Mark:
Yeah, the irony of it all that he wants to take, he wants those contracts to those universities. He wants those contracts through the FDA. He wants those contracts through the NIH.

He's okay that those get cut, but you take a nickel from him, no chance. That's just hypocrisy.
 
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