Dan Mullen bashes recruiting ratings
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It's been proven time and again that they do matter. They aren't full proof or a guarantee to win but they definitely give you a lot easier path to success. Some teams can do less with more with good coaching but apparently Mullen isn't one of those guys and he realizes it now. I didn't see these comments when he had the most talented team in the country at Florida.
It's true though... I've seen it happen, just as much as anyone else has... Certain schools automatically garner enough respect to sway opinions on a kids "talent" level...
Would Penn St possibly hire him? There is no way he'll ever get a big time qb there, which is what he needs.
Can't run that spread successfully in THIS conference without a big play making QB Dan. Didn't Calloway lose a star right after he switched to the barn?
Pretty sure he did...Rivals guys are starstruck by anyone going to Bama...I usually am too though, so...:biggrin:
Don't you think, that's because the upper echelon coaches are perhaps better at gauging the talent level of a player than a bunch of sports writers?
Yes, and no...
Of the top 1/3 of recruits (by rivals) in our now infamous 2008 class, 5 of them were sure busts (Burton Scott, Devonta Bolton, Robby Green, Glenn Harbin, Destin Hood)...so although they were highly recruited by us (and thus gained stars), that meant very little. Where coaching comes in, is that in our bottom 1/3 of recruits (ratings wise) 2 are in the NFL (Cody and Dareus), and a large portion of others are KEY contributors (Upshaw, Williams, Billingsley, Smelley, Square.)
So it'***** and miss like anything else...
if mullen's premise were true, what's the point? these services are supposed to evaluate kids. one way to do that is to look at who the top programs are offering/accepting. until these coaches lead services to drastically bad results, what would be the problem if true.
This quote by Mullens screams, "oh crap, what have I gotten myself into?" He knows he will never have the kind of classes to compete at MSU, especially when Bama and LSU can cherry pick the best players. At this point, he is prolly looking for the quickest way out of Starkville, cause he know he'll never win there.
this happened with notre dumb in the late 90's/early 2000's consistently. They had a whole class full of 4's and 5's but had trouble winning 7-8 games a year. Partly due to coaching, yes, but also due to overrating kids just because they signed with the Fighting Amish.
Someone needs to remind Dan that Bama doesn't sign random kids from the street. That must be a Mississippi State thing.
He lost his star because he was originally rated as a LB. Then during the season prior to the next rerating he switched to RB. When the new rankings came out he was only rated as a 4 star because he was now playing RB. No offense but how do you evaluate and rate a player at a position post season when they did not play that position as their mani position.
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Also the urban myth that players get bumps because they commit to UA is just wrong. The services rate players throughout the year. Usually spring, right before the fall and post season. Just because Saban thinks a player might be better than what some service thinks is their problem not ours. What usually happens is because of the credit Saban receives for being such a great talent evaluator the services will go watch the player in question and usually at that point they agree with Saban. Saban probably if nothing else helps the player get a fair evaluation from the services.
Also maybe Saban has made a good example of showing the services in the past that they had no clue of what they were doing in the first place. Rememeber the so called great recruiting services had Mark Ingram as the 58th best RB in his class and a 3 star.
In the end it really does not matter their ratings because what Mullen needs to understand just like everyone else, how they do in college is all based on coaching. Apparantly Mullen should not get any credit for his time at UF because we see what he has not been able to accomplish at MSU. Stars and rating do not make great college players, coaches do.
Also maybe Saban has made a good example of showing the services in the past that they had no clue of what they were doing in the first place. Rememeber the so called great recruiting services had Mark Ingram as the 58th best RB in his class and a 3 star.
In the end it really does not matter their ratings because what Mullen needs to understand just like everyone else, how they do in college is all based on coaching. Apparantly Mullen should not get any credit for his time at UF because we see what he has not been able to accomplish at MSU. Stars and rating do not make great college players, coaches do.
Hood batted .276 with 13 home runs this year...not sure I would call that a bust! Not sure how you can call a guy that never stepped foot on campus as a student athlete as a bust, Hood was drafted by the MLB and decided to take that route over CFB...
Attention all recruits. According to other SEC coaches signing with Bama will make you a better player.
Bama settled for Harbin because we needed a player in that position and our first 3 choices fell through. Robby Green played well is freshman year and had a solid career ahead of him before he got in trouble. Destin Hood never even played football, got drafted and went pro in baseball. Scott and Bolton maybe fit that category. Scott was a great athlete who just never found a position and Bolton had trouble with actually qualifying to play and then wasn't as highly thought of after JUCO.
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Which makes my point...unless you are productive as a FOOTBALL player when signed to play FOOTBALL, then you are a bust in FOOTBALL Recruiting. You may go on and be a successful student, baseball player, drug dealer, burger flipper, whatever...but what that has to do with Football is nothing. Destin Hood may be a great baseball player one day, bust for us as a football recruit.
My point is, most really good college coaches recruit to fit what their team does. Saban likes DB's with good ball skills. So if a recruiting service has a guy ranked a 2 star as a DB because he plays at a small school against inferior competition, but Saban recruits him because he sees some a ton of natural abilit that can be coached into a productive player, a recruiting service will jump all over it. The next thing you know, the kid is a 4 star without doing anything different. He isn't a 4 star based on production against top athletes, or gaudy stats at a big winning program...he becomes a four star because everyone says "Saban must know something that we don't..." Sometimes you hit on those kind of players, sometimes you don't..
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