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Discussion of what happens to us in the second half (coaching/lack of fire?- MERGED)

Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

Well Said! I agree 100% and this type of mentality needs to come from our seniors (JPW is a good place to start). IMO the second half yesterday the offense looked like they were asleep! Either way; we are 7-0! Let's just hope these second half meltdowns don't continue with the Viles, Lswho, and the barn still to go!


NYBamaFan said:
I have said this before, and pardon me if you are getting tired of hearing (reading) it from me, but I think that the problem is that this team lacks a killer instinct. You have to want to destroy the other team, not just beat them. You have to want to beat them so badly that they never want to play you again.

This team lacks that, and I am not sure that you can coach it...
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Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

NYBamaFan said:
LOL - Football is a violent sport, and it requires a violent attitude. Controlled violence, but violence none the less...
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I agree .:)

Had to throw a little humor in there.:biggrin:
 
I think coach Saban nailed it during the press conference. Some players still lack what he calls "self-discipline".

Buuuuuuuuttttttt,

I think we all need to remember that this is still one of the youngest teams in the SEC, and lack of consistency is something that can only be improved by playing more games.
 
markenk said:
...I think we all need to remember that this is still one of the youngest teams in the SEC, and lack of consistency is something that can only be improved by playing more games.
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I don't see this as a lack of consistency. They are very consistent. They consistently take their foot off of the throat of our opponent when we have them beat, allowing them to get back into the game - and then they consistently stiffen just in time to get the win...
 
So are we in agreement that it is a mental problem in the second half of our past games as opposed to a physical problem?
 
Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

Crimson Cat said:
Sometimes, but I didn't feel it was so much yesterday. If I remember, Bama ran a pass play on 4th and 1, but failed to convert. To me thats not conservative, when Bama runs the ball as well as they do. Poor execution on offense hurt more than anything, which started at the Oline. Credit OM defense which was able to put pressure on JPW consistently in the second half, even without Hardy in the game. On the JPW interception, it appeared McCoy cut the route short or something and wasn't where JPW thought he was going to be. All in all, I thought JPW played really well. Those two td passes were beauties.
Btw, Lswho fans have always maintained that Saban-led teams tend to get conservative with a lead, so maybe thats a factor, I'm not sure.
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I used to wish Bear Bryant wouldn't sit on a lead that had been built up by halftime. The difference seems to be that this present team makes mistakes when Saban is trying to hold a big lead -- and Bryant's teams didn't make mistakes when they had a lead. The exception -- and I remember it distinctly -- was in the Cotton Bowl against Texas in about 1982, when Bama was ahead at halftime and lost the game.
 
Pluck and Grit said:
What's going on here becomes self evident when you look at the halftime scores of our games thus far.....

23-3
13-3
31-7
35-7
31-0
14-0
24-3

The reason we aren't making halftime adjustments is because there is nothing to adjust to. With the exception of the Tulane game, we were completely having our way at halftime of every game. Why change something then? We'd have been up 27-0 on Kentucky if not for 2 missed FGs and a fumble. There was nothing wrong with the gameplan or 98% of its execution.

As for our opponents, there's plenty to adjust, because plenty of things obviously aren't working. But for us, when most everything is working, what is there to change?
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There are 2 halves in football. If the other team adjusts, then , with our highly prized coaching staff, ( that knows the other team is going to adjust) we should do some adjusting. So you think we should just blow out in the first half and then kick back the second half? Again, there is something to adjust to, because we know the other team is going to adjust.
 
D4bama said:
There are 2 halves in football. If the other team adjusts, then , with our highly prized coaching staff, ( that knows the other team is going to adjust) we should do some adjusting. So you think we should just blow out in the first half and then kick back the second half? Again, there is something to adjust to, because we know the other team is going to adjust.
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Yep, but a lot of people are making the assumption that CNS does NOT know this, and that his coaches/coordinators are NOT making adjustments. I know too many coaches to make such an assumption. Good coaches make adjustments throughout the game, and I think that we can all agree that we have very, very good coaches...
 
Re: Coaching at Halftime.....

theshow4jsu_13 said:
While I agree we haven't played great in the second half, I don't think that is a coaching staff issue, as a former player; as some are on here, once you are up big on an opponent, it is psychologically hard to get pumped up to come out and play with the same intensity. Remember it isn't who wins either half, its whats on the board when the time says 00:00.
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This thread could go no forever, but the last sentence above says it all.
 
Football is a game of momentum. We have been coming out at the beginning of games fired up and making things happen with great momentum. At the half with a big lead we are losing the intensity that got us the lead starting the second half.

Just as yesterday, Ole Miss had a good kick return and a few plays later scored and had the momentum on their side. Our guys responded and was on the verge of taking ole Mo back when a mistake from JPW lost it and give it right back to them. From there it seemed to me that our guys got frustrated just enough to lose focus and let Ole Miss make a game of it. But when it come down to crunch time at the end the better team rose to the occasion and put down the uprising.

How they respond when they get knocked in the mouth has to this point been good enough to come out the victor. But there is a lot to learn for these guys and I have to believe we have the trainers to teach them but it takes time. We have yet to be knocked out and if we can keep from it, even if we have to weather some close decisions, we will get our shot at the title match!!!;)
 
NYBamaFan said:
Yep, but a lot of people are making the assumption that CNS does NOT know this, and that his coaches/coordinators are NOT making adjustments. I know too many coaches to make such an assumption. Good coaches make adjustments throughout the game, and I think that we can all agree that we have very, very good coaches...
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well, tell that to USC, Texas, Penn St. , Oklahoma, Mizzou, Ohio st. , etc.........
 
D4bama said:
well, tell that to USC, Texas, Penn St. , Oklahoma, Mizzou, Ohio st. , etc.........
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Not sure what you are getting at. Did you notice that most of those teams have lost a game, and Texas was outplayed in the second half last night, and that Penn state was outplayed by lowly Michigan for 2 quarters yesterday?

Coaches prepare teams, but the players have to execute...
 
NYBamaFan said:
Not sure what you are getting at. Did you notice that most of those teams have lost a game, and Texas was outplayed in the second half last night, and that Penn state was outplayed by lowly Michigan for 2 quarters yesterday?

Coaches prepare teams, but the players have to execute...
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what I am getting at is this. These teams play all 4 qtrs. yes all(besides Penn st.) have a loss. I wont even consider usc 'cause they are in the highly over rated pac 10. Big 12 (this year) seems to be toughest conf. Penn st. was outplayed but played excellent football in second half. none of these teams lay down and run conservative in second half. If bama does not finish like they start, it could come back and haunt. I am very proud of our 7-0 record, but just think of how much more recognition we could get if we played the whole game. When a team is coming from behind and is on your heels it begins to tire the defense. Its like the offense says" OK defense we scored 24 and you guys have to do the rest" why not just blow the other team away the whole game, like we all know bama can do? just some thoughts
 
NYBamaFan said:
I am still not sure what you are saying. Are you concerned about player intensity or coaching or something altogether different?
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Why are we not able to blow teams away that I know we are capable of doing? You tell me, players, coaching, lack of depth, complacency. Why do you think bama is not able to play 4 full qtrs? And I know other teams will, at some time during the game, have their momentum. What if, in the next few games, we are behind 24-3 at the half? you think bama will be able to come back?:BigA:
 
D4bama said:
Why are we not able to blow teams away that I know we are capable of doing? You tell me, players, coaching, lack of depth, complacency. Why do you think bama is not able to play 4 full qtrs? And I know other teams will, at some time during the game, have their momentum. What if, in the next few games, we are behind 24-3 at the half? you think bama will be able to come back?:BigA:
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i think we still arent there yet from a talent standpoint..we're getting some great coaching and schemes to get us where we are right now. the best is yet to come imo.
 
gamersfuel said:
i think we still arent there yet from a talent standpoint..we're getting some great coaching and schemes to get us where we are right now. the best is yet to come imo.
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I agree the best is yet to come and we are better than any one could predict. But if there is so much talent in the first half, then why does it seem to dissipate in the 2nd half(other than the defense)?
 
D4bama said:
well, tell that to USC, Texas, Penn St. , Oklahoma, Mizzou, Ohio st. , etc.........
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USC= looks impressive, lately, plays a weak schedule regardless of the BCS computer.

Texas= Maybe the best team in the country right now plays a good Big 12 schedule but most of the big 12 teams have minimal defense...SEC has 6 or 7 teams with as good a D as Mizzu, Kansas or even Oklahoma.

Mizzu= Overrated all year, lots of flashy offense, no defense and they will lose at least two more before bowl time.

Penn St. and Ohio St. play in the Big 10...nuff said. OSU has not impressed me until this week against, IMO, an overrated MSU squad. Penn St. has impressed me so far this year. We will see how they look against OSU, after that they play no one to speak of.
 
Re: Is the playcalling too conservative in the second half?

NYBamaFan said:
I have said this before, and pardon me if you are getting tired of hearing (reading) it from me, but I think that the problem is that this team lacks a killer instinct. You have to want to destroy the other team, not just beat them. You have to want to beat them so badly that they never want to play you again.

This team lacks that, and I am not sure that you can coach it...
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I think you may be on to something. It's like our guys expect the other team to quit because they are down big at the half.
 
D4bama said:
I agree the best is yet to come and we are better than any one could predict. But if there is so much talent in the first half, then why does it seem to dissipate in the 2nd half(other than the defense)?
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like i said, Saban has one hell of a scheme and is prepared for each opponent. THe problem is the opponents adjust at the half and that scheme goes out the window. If the talent was on par with the big dogs, talent would win the 2nd half no matter what adjustment is made. ppl think i'm crazy but i think this is the case.
 
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