Do you think Saban would have come to Alabama for less? Would he have come if he was offered $100,000 more a year than the highest paid coach in college football? He said he missed college football but do you think he missed it enough to come back for less than his Dolpins salary?
Do you still think $4 million is too much?
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With all due respect, it sounds as though you think everybody's salary should be somewhat close. I mean, should the fireman make more than the cashier at the grocery store? The cashier has given me much more service throughout my life and she is necessary to all our lives. I mean, we could compare different careers all day and say society has problems. But, this is what capitalism is. There was a man once who had a dream of equalizing everybody in society. Though it sounds feasible and fair, it doesn't work. The man's name was Carl Marx and communism has brought about more poverty than capitalism ever has.
Football gives us all something in common. Football gives us all something to cheer about even when times are hard. Perhaps, there is much more of a service to society than you've considered.
Hmmm, the way that you were pumping Johnson, I would think that you might have supported this salary for him...
One of the worst things you can teach your child is the statment "That's not fair."
Welcome to life my boy.
Welcome to life my boy.
I can see where it might have come across that way, but no, I'm not a communist.
I understand that our society is a capitalist society, and in many ways I'm grateful for that because there are far worse alternatives. I do not think that everyone's salary should be somewhat close, and I'm not really so much concerned with one person earning more than another. You're right, we can sit here and debate the importance of different careers all day long. It's all relative to your viewpoint and what's important to you personally. My own personal take is that a football coach, professional athlete, musician, actor, etc. is not important enough in the grand scheme of things to justify earning millions upon millions of dollars a year (and note that I didn't say these people weren't important). Someone who risks their life or gives selflessly of themselves for the safety and well-being of others might be, however. There is nothing that I can really propose to do about this. And I could be wrong. There are plenty of arguments for both sides. This is just my opinion.Like I said earlier, Saban's salary is absolutely justified from a business standpoint, but IMO this isn't a business question.
Neither Spurrier or Carroll were making half this amount. No coach is worth $4M.
Since the laws of supply and demand and other basic economic concepts are to be ignored, what is dabaxter's approved pay scale?
I did support my statement. The market was Spurrier and Carroll were making less than $2M.
1. Carroll's salary will increase dramatically because Bama has raised the bar on pay, significantly.
2. Bama could have gotten a top rate coach for $2M. If Saban's "heart was in college", maybe he could have been hired for less, as well.
Regardless, I'm happy with the hiring of Saban. I think he'll do a great job. However, I answered the pole question honestly, not being caught up in the emotional frenzy of the Saban hire.
No coach is worth $4M. At least they didn't used to be a few weeks ago.
I have found that most people that give their opinion that $4 million is too much for a coach are the same ones crying about Alabama being a poor state, last in education,blah,blah,blah, "but we`ll pay a coach $4 million a year."
These folks won`t vote for a tax increases to help our "poor state" or education program. They won`t pass a lottery to help our "poor state." Last I checked the U of A athletic department could spend it`s money where it wants. Just like you and me.
O ye of plankeye.
These folks won`t vote for a tax increases to help our "poor state" or education program. They won`t pass a lottery to help our "poor state." Last I checked the U of A athletic department could spend it`s money where it wants. Just like you and me.
O ye of plankeye.
I don't fall under your description. I'm not complaining. I just answered the question honestly.
Sorry, I wasn`t singling you out. Just speaking in general terms.
The way I see it. If you pay Saban $4 million and it increases the university`s revenue by $10 million, then it`s a great investment and well worth the money. We`ve already tried the lowball efforts for gain and hasn`t worked. IMO...the adage it takes money to make money holds very true in this case. People are too worried about how much it took to get Saban, when they need to look at the big picture and see the rewards it will bring.
Here`s a good example of the business side.
Here`s What the highest paid coaches bring
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i'll have to respectfully disagree with the 80%. in my opinion, applying a basic market analysis to such a question is inappropriate. and the question really goes farther than alabama and the relative economic merits of having saban coach at alabama.
from a philosophical standpoint, can anyone honestly say that any public institution of higher learning should be paying a non-academic or administrative employee 4 MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR?. have any of the 80% considered that saban will be making more than the combined annual salaries of several entire department faculties combined? i'd be willing to bet that his annual salary is greater than the combined salaries of every faculty member in every department housed in ten hoor hall combined. that's absurd. but then again, paying shula over 1 million was absurd.
and before you respond that we're selling more hats and ticket packages as a result of his hire, ask yourself whether you would evaluate faculty primarily according to the amount of money they bring to the school. on that point, i'd be willing to bet that saban's annual salary dwarfs the amount of grant monies that are brought in annually by entire schools within the university within any given year.
college athletics have gotten completely out of hand, with marketing contracts, endorsement deals, and highlight reels superceding in many ways the very reason that the university system was created so many years ago.
again, it's not about whether saban gets paid too much. rather, it's about the entire college athletic system being totally out of control.
so yes, saban (and stoops and spurrier and tubberville et al) are all paid too much...obscenely too much, regardless of how much money they bring back to the university.
but, the market rules. so, if the question were posed so as to ask whether, according to a standard market analysis of profit and loss, is he paid too much, then my answer would unequivocally be NO. but since we're talking about someone who is supposed to simply be a part of an academic institution, the only answer i can give is YES...he's paid too much.
but i hope at least that he earns every penny and more...which means that the least he can do is hand us a half dozen more SEC titles and a couple of national titles.
see, i'm not totally crazy.
from a philosophical standpoint, can anyone honestly say that any public institution of higher learning should be paying a non-academic or administrative employee 4 MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR?. have any of the 80% considered that saban will be making more than the combined annual salaries of several entire department faculties combined? i'd be willing to bet that his annual salary is greater than the combined salaries of every faculty member in every department housed in ten hoor hall combined. that's absurd. but then again, paying shula over 1 million was absurd.
and before you respond that we're selling more hats and ticket packages as a result of his hire, ask yourself whether you would evaluate faculty primarily according to the amount of money they bring to the school. on that point, i'd be willing to bet that saban's annual salary dwarfs the amount of grant monies that are brought in annually by entire schools within the university within any given year.
college athletics have gotten completely out of hand, with marketing contracts, endorsement deals, and highlight reels superceding in many ways the very reason that the university system was created so many years ago.
again, it's not about whether saban gets paid too much. rather, it's about the entire college athletic system being totally out of control.
so yes, saban (and stoops and spurrier and tubberville et al) are all paid too much...obscenely too much, regardless of how much money they bring back to the university.
but, the market rules. so, if the question were posed so as to ask whether, according to a standard market analysis of profit and loss, is he paid too much, then my answer would unequivocally be NO. but since we're talking about someone who is supposed to simply be a part of an academic institution, the only answer i can give is YES...he's paid too much.
but i hope at least that he earns every penny and more...which means that the least he can do is hand us a half dozen more SEC titles and a couple of national titles.
see, i'm not totally crazy.
Look at it on a broader range. A college athletic system effects more than just the institutions academics. People that don`t go or will never go to the institute for an education pour money into the system just because of the athletics. The university would not get this money otherwise. IMO gain and growth will come out of this hire and I believe all the departments, athletic and academic will prosper because of this. I believe it will generate more students and better facilities all around.
If my company wants to buy software or put a new product in place, we must justify the expense. If the software costs $500,000 but the return is $250K over the next 4 years then we'll go for it. Doesn't seem like a hard principle to understand.
Is it too much?....of course it is. Will it bring in more money than the costs?....apparently so.
Bama is not the first one down this path. Someone completely changed how the game is played so there can be more advertising of beer and car sales(beer and car ads at the same time...HMMM...I'm surprised we haven't put that together yet either and rose up against it). College football is a business. It's been becoming a business a long time before now. I don't see how we can discuss a $4M salary that probably will bring in a heap more $$$$ without addressing the clock rules. The problem started a long time ago.
BTW...I didn't read much of this thread...so if this was mentioned, my bad.
Is it too much?....of course it is. Will it bring in more money than the costs?....apparently so.
Bama is not the first one down this path. Someone completely changed how the game is played so there can be more advertising of beer and car sales(beer and car ads at the same time...HMMM...I'm surprised we haven't put that together yet either and rose up against it). College football is a business. It's been becoming a business a long time before now. I don't see how we can discuss a $4M salary that probably will bring in a heap more $$$$ without addressing the clock rules. The problem started a long time ago.
BTW...I didn't read much of this thread...so if this was mentioned, my bad.
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