Duke gets screwed over by the referees on the final play of the game

[81usaf92]

This is one of the most absurd lines of thinking when it comes to sports.

When the ACC openly admits the officials were in the wrong, how can you say Duke shouldn't have allowed the officials to decide the game?

The ACC's admittance shows Duke had the game won and didn't allow the officials to decide the game, but the officials made their own decision on the game rather than do their jobs.


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I'm not talking about the play. I'm talking about duke allowing a miracle or controversial decision to happen. There are 10-15 other plays that allowed Miami to have a 1 out of million chance to win the game. This whole argument started when I said the dana white quote about finishing the fight and he acted like it was absurd to suggest duke had any blame of the outcome. Yes I find issue with the play, but I also don't feel sorry for duke either because the allowed a deflated Miami a chance to win the game controversy or not.

 

[B1GTide]

Did you guys see the Hurricane's official response to the suspension of the officials? I would post a pic of it but don't know how to post twitter stuff. It is typical Miami, IMO.

 

[CrimsonForce]

Did you guys see the Hurricane's official response to the suspension of the officials? I would post a pic of it but don't know how to post twitter stuff. It is typical Miami, IMO.

Very lame..

 

[RTR91]

I'm not talking about the play. I'm talking about duke allowing a miracle or controversial decision to happen. There are 10-15 other plays that allowed Miami to have a 1 out of million chance to win the game. This whole argument started when I said the dana white quote about finishing the fight and he acted like it was absurd to suggest duke had any blame of the outcome. Yes I find issue with the play, but I also don't feel sorry for duke either because the allowed a deflated Miami a chance to win the game controversy or not.

IOW, you believe Duke not whipping Miami excuses the officials not doing their job?


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[theballguy]

Personally, I would like to see Miami become relevant again. That has nothing to do with it. But fair is fair. The only way to make this right: add 1 in Duke's win column and add 1 in Miami's loss column. There is absolutely no excuse for the ACC to not do this.

 

[81usaf92]

IOW, you believe Duke not whipping Miami excuses the officials not doing their job?


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No never said that or am I leading to that. Again I made the statement " don't let the refs or judges a chance to decide the game". So how is that not a good point? I have said it was a controversial play all together, but have maintained it shouldn't have came to that had duke played the way they should. Bottom line is it was a bad call but it could've been prevented if a supposed good team blasted a team in shambles like they should've.

 

[dtgreg]

I don't gamble either but the over/under for the game 51.5. The score was 27-24 Duke prior to the kickoff return (51) so if you were on the under side of this game, it has to qualify as one of the worst "bad beats" in a long while.

I would like to see what a good journalist could dig up concerning this game and the officials and their relationship to gambling, if any. I would like to believe they're all squeaky clean. I'm old enough to be more cynical. I'm thinking there may be a number of reasons this crew was punished so proactively.

 

[tidefanbeezer]

Well obviously you aren't familiar to the concept " good teams find ways to win against adversity". To be honest I don't know why you are so passionate about duke. They are a traditional bottom feeder. I guess it's cause it's Miami winning that gets you.

Duke did win. They beat Miami. Check the picture I posted earlier of Miami's player clearly down, which the conference agrees should have been called and ended the game. If the officials don't enforce the rules, there is no team - goof or bad - can overcome that "adversity".

I'm not passionate about Duke. I'm passionate about poor officiating costing a team a game. If officiating continues to degrade, at some point it will cost my team a game. I'd rather see it cleaned up before it comes to that.

Your continued insistence that Duke should have overcome a blatant lack of rules enforcement by the refs leads me to believe that you are related to someone on the officiating crew and are trying to deflect blame from them.

 

[alwayshavebeen]

The thing that really concerns me is the replay booth blowing the call, and yes it did cost Duke the game. As for the on field officials, I have a little more symphony because it isn't nearly as easy as it looks...But there is absolutely no excuse after a 9-minute review to screw it up like they did.

Same thing in the UT UK game...replay booth missed badly by not overturning the targeting call...that should have been catch and fumble.

I'm with some others on this, if this isn't cleaned up, our day is coming as well.

 

[81usaf92]

Duke did win. They beat Miami. Check the picture I posted earlier of Miami's player clearly down, which the conference agrees should have been called and ended the game. If the officials don't enforce the rules, there is no team - goof or bad - can overcome that "adversity".

I'm not passionate about Duke. I'm passionate about poor officiating costing a team a game. If officiating continues to degrade, at some point it will cost my team a game. I'd rather see it cleaned up before it comes to that.

Your continued insistence that Duke should have overcome a blatant lack of rules enforcement by the refs leads me to believe that you are related to someone on the officiating crew and are trying to deflect blame from them.

The review didn't overturn it so it doesn't matter. Duke lost, and read my posts more clearly because you are missing the point. Duke had 59 minutes before a bad call to put Miami away and they didn't. They and you can blame the refs all y'all want to but Miami is still awarded the win. I'm not going to argue this any further if you can't see that games that turn out with controversial or miracle walk offs have more than 1 play leading to the end.

 

[B1GTide]

The review didn't overturn it so it doesn't matter. Duke lost, and read my posts more clearly because you are missing the point. Duke had 59 minutes before a bad call to put Miami away and they didn't. They and you can blame the refs all y'all want to but Miami is still awarded the win. I'm not going to argue this any further if you can't see that games that turn out with controversial or miracle walk offs have more than 1 play leading to the end.

I agree with the thought process, but you are omitting the most relevant fact here. They got robbed on the last play of the game. That does mean that the officials decided this game - not the players.

 

[AlexanderFan]

The review didn't overturn it so it doesn't matter. Duke lost, and read my posts more clearly because you are missing the point. Duke had 59 minutes before a bad call to put Miami away and they didn't. They and you can blame the refs all y'all want to but Miami is still awarded the win. I'm not going to argue this any further if you can't see that games that turn out with controversial or miracle walk offs have more than 1 play leading to the end.

They played well enough to win the game. The tackle was made, he was down. Game over.


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[tidefanbeezer]

I agree with the thought process, but you are omitting the most relevant fact here. They got robbed on the last play of the game. That does mean that the officials decided this game - not the players.

Can't say it any better than this. No sense in arguing with folks who don't use logic.

 

[81usaf92]

I agree with the thought process, but you are omitting the most relevant fact here. They got robbed on the last play of the game. That does mean that the officials decided this game - not the players.

Yes it ultimately decided the game,but again they didn't take care of business and fell victim of controversy.

 

[81usaf92]

Can't say it any better than this. No sense in arguing with folks who don't use logic.

So would you have faith in the refs if the bama-lsu game came down to a kickoff, or would you want us to make the refs a non factor. Tell me what should I have faith in between the two since you "logically" know these things

My point has been if we are basing it all on that play: DUKE SHOULDVE WON, but with all the bad calls being called this year you can't allow the refs the opportunity to decide a game. Heck they more or less decided the ole miss game, but on the same token I can think of 5 plays that would've taken the game out of their hand. DONT LET ZEBRAS Have a chance to become popular is my point, not the dang play being horribly called( which it was). I'm really having a hard time seeing where you think that I think it was rightly called. I would even say the replay was wrong, but again it goes back to not letting the refs the opportunity to decide games

 

[MattinBama]

Yep, everyone knows we shouldn't expect people being paid to do a job to do it well, that is way too much to ask. A group of unpaid kids should be punished when those guys screw up because those kids didn't bother to do everything perfectly themselves.

No team should ever allow another team within 50 points of them by the end of the game, that way the sport would be super boring, we'd all stop watching, and the refs wouldn't get paid anymore. Now I get it.

Nevermind that they did in fact make the game saving play and the paid refs/replay official ignored it.

It's easy to say that it shouldn't have even been close when it's not your team getting screwed. The refs were doing their best to help Tennessee against us. Maybe we woulda been up by 50 if Tenn wasn't allowed to hold every play. But I'm sure that was the Alabama players fault too.

 

[81usaf92]

Yep, everyone knows we shouldn't expect people being paid to do a job to do it well, that is way too much to ask. A group of unpaid kids should be punished when those guys screw up because those kids didn't bother to do everything perfectly themselves.

No team should ever allow another team within 50 points of them by the end of the game, that way the sport would be super boring, we'd all stop watching, and the refs wouldn't get paid anymore. Now I get it.

Nevermind that they did in fact make the game saving play and the paid refs/replay official ignored it.

It's easy to say that it shouldn't have even been close when it's not your team getting screwed. The refs were doing their best to help Tennessee against us. Maybe we woulda been up by 50 if Tenn wasn't allowed to hold every play. But I'm sure that was the Alabama players fault too.

Expecting refs to do their jobs and them doing their jobs are two totally different things. 2003 national championship game (ironically), 2004 lsu-alabama game, and the packers-Seahawks refgate game are prime examples of why it isn't wise to trust paid "professional" refs to do their job. My point has been restated many times and I give up on trying to explain it as long as people stop calling me "hopeless" or "illogical" in posts disagreeing with my stance. I respect people who believe it was a bad call and it was the ultimate decider in the game. Because it was a bad call on many levels on the last play of the game. I just ask for the same respect on my differing opinion that the best strategy in close games is to make the refs a non factor. My original post was in reference to dana white's post fight presser about a fight that shogun dominated macieda and dana even acknowledged it, but shogun was declared the loser by the judges. The main difference is that dana had the power to issue a rematch, but the acc and NCAA does not.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Has any conference ever reversed the result of a deciding poor call before?

 

[Sabanizer]

Alabama native David Cutcliffe is one of the most underrated coach's that I can think of over a career. Ole Miss basically used him and then threw to the curb with Eli Manning. No Cutcliffe, no Championship at Tennessee. Duke was smart to hire him. Hate to see him lose a game like this.

If a game ends with a multiple lateral/pass play, teams on both sides should stay composed and on the sideline while the refs review, or stand a chance of being penalized. This is a classic example of chaos and pressure on the refs because of an atmosphere that the game was over. Still no excuse, but help the refs in this situation with a rule that a play like this will be scrutinized.

 

[81usaf92]

Has any conference ever reversed the result of a deciding poor call before?

I don't know, but it has happened in MLB before. Then again, the mlb has more control over individual games than practically every major sport. If you are hinting at something then I'm all ears