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Re: ESPN 30 For 30: Pony Excess. The story of SMU and the Death Penalty

I find it ironic that smu went down about the same time that miami and fsu started making strides.....in ways rumored to be the same. Maybe not the large scope, but if you listened at the time, tallahassee and miami were a freaking party and the money easy to come by.
 
Re: ESPN 30 For 30: Pony Excess. The story of SMU and the Death Penalty

It's scary too think Phat Phil & vol boosters came within a eyelash of setting Bama up on BS charges for the "Death Penalty"..That's a sobering thought after watching what SMU has gone through..
 
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bamanut_aj said:
not really. The smu story that just played is all proven fact. So far, the auburn 'Victoryland, debit cards, etc etc' is just wishful thinking and straw grasping.
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As was the SMU story at some point. If not for one player who decided to spill the beans...

In the Barn's case, it just won't be a player.
 
Re: ESPN 30 For 30: Pony Excess. The story of SMU and the Death Penalty

My wife went to Texas A&M. She said those 300ZX's filled the athletic dorm parking lot when she was there in the 80's. Most popular color was black. She wants Jackie back even if it cost them some probation time. And of course the Blue Bell ice cream always arrived at the athletic dorm first so that was the place to be. I'm sure everybody was doing it but probably not as egregiously as SMU. You remember that Marcus mentioned he had a double wide show up for his mom around his soph year.
 
Re: ESPN 30 For 30: Pony Excess. The story of SMU and the Death Penalty

bamanut_aj said:
not really. The smu story that just played is all proven fact. So far, the auburn 'Victoryland, debit cards, etc etc' is just wishful thinking and straw grasping.
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I agree. I doubt anything will come of that. If the NCAA hasn't found anything yet, I doubt they will find anything. We need to put this thing to rest and get focused on our own business at Alabama.
 
Re: ESPN 30 For 30: Pony Excess. The story of SMU and the Death Penalty

Several things made the death penalty more difficult for SMU:

Southwest Conference broken up.
Very small enrollment approx 4,000 undergrad.
Poor head coach hiring decisions
 
Re: ESPN 30 For 30: Pony Excess. The story of SMU and the Death Penalty

skipster63 said:
I agree. I doubt anything will come of that. If the NCAA hasn't found anything yet, I doubt they will find anything. We need to put this thing to rest and get focused on our own business at Alabama.
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The NCAA doesn't let information about ongoing investigations leak into the public, and only release information when the investigation is over. Until then, the FBI is poking around Auburn's boosters and the NCAA is still investigating Auburn. That, we know, are facts.
 
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Shortround said:
The NCAA doesn't let information about ongoing investigations leak into the public, and only release information when the investigation is over. Until then, the FBI is poking around Auburn's boosters and the NCAA is still investigating Auburn. That, we know, are facts.
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Exactly, and they will continue to dig until they turn up something, or can't prove anything.

RTR:BigA:
 
Re: ESPN 30 For 30: Pony Excess. The story of SMU and the Death Penalty

"Pony Excess" was probably my favorite 30 for 30 so far... I always heard about SMU getting the death penalty, but never got the nuts and bolts to the story... The way that news station trapped the booster on TV was the best part to me... He was speechless... "I, I, I need to grab my glasses..." EPIC! That would never happen in this day and age... Of course that guy wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer... Sending money... in SMU stationary... and agreeing to an on-camera interview with a news outlet that was trying to nail them to the wall... Really? With no hard evidence, the reporter baited him into lying... I seriously laughed out loud on that one... I also found it interesting that Dickerson won't own up to what he got paid after all these years...

That show really cemented the fact, for me, that there won't be another death penalty... These universities as a whole depend so much on the revenue that is brought in through the football program... A school would almost have to drop other athletic programs due to the sanctions...

If the "situation" down on the plains comes out like some people think it will, with the proverbial hammer falling on the program... It will be interesting to see the parallels formed once the information comes out...

On another note... I don't know how in the world that QB is putting together coherent sentences today, with some of those hits he took while making the pitch on the option...
 
Amazing how SMU got themselves in that pickle, feeling contractually obligated to pay players while already on pobation. Man those guys were playing with fire big time. Their own local media basically fed them to the sharks. Unbelievable....
 
Re: ESPN 30 For 30: Pony Excess. The story of SMU and the Death Penalty

A friend brought this up:

The documentary showed how the Dallas media really were dedicated to investigating what was happening at SMU (At the risk of losing sponsorship money, which caused the Dallas Time Herald severe problems). What do you think would happen if our local media was committed to actually getting to the bottom of certain situations in this state?
 
Re: ESPN 30 For 30: Pony Excess. The story of SMU and the Death Penalty

DiamondDust said:
A friend brought this up:

The documentary showed how the Dallas media really were dedicated to investigating what was happening at SMU (At the risk of losing sponsorship money, which caused the Dallas Time Herald severe problems). What do you think would happen if our local media was committed to actually getting to the bottom of certain situations in this state?
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Investigative journalism comes at a cost and there is a high risk involved in that as well. I heard Jim Dunaway the other day mention that he got several threatening emails because of another Jim Dunaway who had a twitter account and that Jim Dunaway made some pointed comments about either Alabama or Auburn. I can tell you this since I live here. Dallas is nothing anywhere like Alabama. If one of the local newspapers were to take on either Alabama or Auburn in a similar way, I would not be surprised if it didn't cost someone their life. And I'm not joking when I say that.

In Dallas, you have the Cowboys, the Rangers, the Mavericks, Texas A&M, UT, TCU, Tx Tech, a pro hockey team, a cosmopolitan base of transplants for the most part, etc. In Alabama you have Alabama or Auburn. So loyalties and passions run so much deeper in Alabama versus Dallas.
 
Re: ESPN 30 For 30: Pony Excess. The story of SMU and the Death Penalty

skipster63 said:
Investigative journalism comes at a cost and there is a high risk involved in that as well. I heard Jim Dunaway the other day mention that he got several threatening emails because of another Jim Dunaway who had a twitter account and that Jim Dunaway made some pointed comments about either Alabama or Auburn. I can tell you this since I live here. Dallas is nothing anywhere like Alabama. If one of the local newspapers were to take on either Alabama or Auburn in a similar way, I would not be surprised if it didn't cost someone their life. And I'm not joking when I say that.
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Kinda like when Paul Davis WAS digging into Auburn and his newspaper office was mysteriously burned down.
 
When we had the financial fallout/crisis, I strongly believe that Lehman Brothers was selected as the sacrificial lamb that would rattle the U.S. into support of a trillion $ plan to save the banks. Nothing like scaring the bajeezies out of people to get people's attention.

I think the same thing happened at SMU. Many, most or all of the major football programs had things going on whether it was under their control or not. But the NCAA singled out SMU to send a message to everyone as they were the biggest and in your face offender. I do not see this happening again because here we are 25 years later and SMU is still a laugher over here in Dallas.
 
Skipster, I think you may be on to something there. SMU was not a traditional power and seems to me they were the test case for the newly unveiled death penalty. Given the results, I doubt it will ever be handed down again.

HOWEVER if the FBI and IRS keep the investigation going forward and make public the PFP scheme that Lowder, Yella man, and McGregor were/have been running, they will deserve it. Don't know about you, but the scumbuckets on the SMU BOT certainly did remind me of Auburn's...
 
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