Film Guy's take on the Bama loss

[denver]

Talty missed one a couple of weeks ago that I swear looked like it would go out of bounds, one of the worst I’ve ever seen. He’s got quite a bit to clean up himself before jumping on anyone else. The staff ought to line him up with some hitting drills against the long snapper today and tomorrow to get his mind right, because something certainly ain’t right with him.

When on the hash, he tends to snatch at the ball and it hooks. His follow through is off. If you watch consistent kickers, they hit a 25 yard kick the same as a 45 yard kick - its the technique that gives consistency. Cant remember the game but there was a wild hook from short range..and it wasn't the snap...this wasn't the snap either. Whoever is coaching the kickers needs to make him make 10 in a row from each hash and in the middle....from 30/35/40/45 in practice

 

[CrimsonBloodn62]

When on the hash, he tends to snatch at the ball and it hooks. His follow through is off. If you watch consistent kickers, they hit a 25 yard kick the same as a 45 yard kick - its the technique that gives consistency. Cant remember the game but there was a wild hook from short range..and it wasn't the snap...this wasn't the snap either. Whoever is coaching the kickers needs to make him make 10 in a row from each hash and in the middle....from 30/35/40/45 in practice

The odds of Talty hitting 10 straight from each of those distances are worse than the odds of winning the lottery.

 

[CB4]

The odds of Talty hitting 10 straight from each of those distances are worse than the odds of winning the lottery.

Wonder if any of those students that kicked on ESPN GameDay have any eligibility left?

 

[cthorne22]

I think Bray Hubbard is, but other than him, the last “ ornery “, physically tough guy that comes to mind is Landon Dickerson. At least on the O line.

Tyler Booker was most definitely a tough guy.

I'm not big on challenging dudes manhood who are actually in the game.

That being said, kickers need to shut up and kick, or just play soccer.

 

[81usaf92]

Yall can talk about kickers all you want. But there have been several times where Saban brought in one of the best kickers in the country and they looked like they never kicked a ball in their life. The only kicker that ever improved under saban was tiffin and the only kicker where the hype was real was reichard.

There was a story in which one of Stallings player development guys bugged him for months about an elite high school kicker. Stallings relented and gave the kid a scholarship. Kid gets here and couldn’t kick worth crap. Stallings basically said “anyone ever suggests for me to waste a scholarship on a kicker ever again is fired”

Kickers are crapshoots. I don’t know if it’s the depth perception of playing in closed stadiums or the pressure but when they get to bama they just suck.

 

[81usaf92]

I agree with all of this. He has knowledge of the game and makes good analysis but no real source to Alabama . To be fair to him I haven’t heard him apply to much inside knowledge but then I don’t watch everything he makes.

well he is that guy that went on after the fsu game saying that he was hearing Alabama is letting players dictate when they want to practice and that Alabama didn’t practice but one day during the bye week between Wisconsin and Georgia. Every anti DeBoer bama fan ate it up and flocked to the boards about it and wouldn’t listen to guys like Rodney Orr who were saying that everything this guy was saying was categorically untrue.

 

[cthorne22]

Yall can talk about kickers all you want. But there have been several times where Saban brought in one of the best kickers in the country and they looked like they never kicked a ball in their life. The only kicker that ever improved under saban was tiffin and the only kicker where the hype was real was reichard.

There was a story in which one of Stallings player development guys bugged him for months about an elite high school kicker. Stallings relented and gave the kid a scholarship. Kid gets here and couldn’t kick worth crap. Stallings basically said “anyone ever suggests for me to waste a scholarship on a kicker ever again is fired”

Kickers are crapshoots. I don’t know if it’s the depth perception of playing in closed stadiums or the pressure but when they get to bama they just suck.

All true

 

[OBMS]

Michael Carroll is a very good start when it comes to "change". Man that kid is athletic and is going to be a beast. He is the type of OL'man I believe DeBoer and crew are wanting.

The sack Ty took that turned the ball over at the end of the third quarter was created by Carrol completely whiffing on a 280 lb defensive end who beat him one on one with an outside speed rush on 3rd and 9. Let that sink in for just a minute. A 280 lb speed rush that he never even laid a hand on. Not the guy on the other side at about 230. The offensive play call was a five man route with no check down and no OL help with a TE chip or a back. There are several things to be said. The staff obviously believes Carrol can make that block. He didn't. What are they seeing in practice to lead them to that call? The whiff was directly in Ty's face. It is his job to see that and do one of two things; eat the ball or get rid of it. He did neither. So we have several options for blame. I am out of the school that says if the staff calls that play and you get surprised, eat it and punt. I also don't believe the staff should put the line or Ty in that situation at that point in the game.

 

[JDCrimson]

As in most things, a bunch of things can be true at the same time.

- We have a really good head coach. You dont coach to an incoming win-loss record that CKD had by being soft in being soft.

- In football and basketball games, I am seeing an emerging trend where the officials tend to slant officiating to benefit the underdog until halftime, as if to keep them in the game. Then after halftime, we see more balanced officiating.

- USCe is not so bad to lose a 27 point lead in essentially 1 quarter of football. Im just not buying it. The conference is trying to do everything to get 4 teams in the CFP knowing they are playing a conference schedule 2-3 times harder than any other conference.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

The sack Ty took that turned the ball over at the end of the third quarter was created by Carrol completely whiffing on a 280 lb defensive end who beat him one on one with an outside speed rush on 3rd and 9. Let that sink in for just a minute. A 280 lb speed rush that he never even laid a hand on. Not the guy on the other side at about 230. The offensive play call was a five man route with no check down and no OL help with a TE chip or a back. There are several things to be said. The staff obviously believes Carrol can make that block. He didn't. What are they seeing in practice to lead them to that call? The whiff was directly in Ty's face. It is his job to see that and do one of two things; eat the ball or get rid of it. He did neither. So we have several options for blame. I am out of the school that says if the staff calls that play and you get surprised, eat it and punt. I also don't believe the staff should put the line or Ty in that situation at that point in the game.

Carroll more than likely has shown in practice he can handle it, but at the end of the day hes still a freshman. Hes going to be a very good one but freshman linemen will make freshmen mistakes.

 

[editder]

This. People outside of the fanbase don’t talk about the 2022 Tennessee “anxiety” game or the 2023 USF game where the offense just didn’t seem to care. They just chalk it up to Saban leaving a perfect program and DeBoer messing it up, and it wasn’t so much Saban’s fault as it was CFB changing as a whole, but I feel like if the program was perfect, Saban would still be coaching in Tuscaloosa.

DeBoer changed his demeanor this season, came out Saturday fired up, and it still resulted in a loss. The defense has been playing nasty the past month or so, so I don’t think it’s a question of the whole team no being physical enough, I do wonder if it’s a mental issue on the offensive side of the ball, specifically on the OL, where we’re going on year 4 of a highly hyped OL busting.

I think there are valid points on both sides of this argument. Yes, Saban’s teams started getting really sloppy with the silly penalties and other unforced errors in 2022, possibly earlier. A lot of it has to do with NIL and the portal, but he was also starting to go soft anyway. Maybe it was advancing age or just loss of interest, preferring to do commercials with Prime Time than to focus on the task at hand. I don’t blame him for anything. He provided a second great dynasty in my lifetime and doesn’t need to do anything else in my book.

The poor discipline continued into last season, but for the most part, I’ve been impressed with the extent that a lot of those issues have been cleaned up this year. There also doesn’t appear to be much dissension on the team like we’ve seen the last few years. The players seem to like and support each other (with the possible exception of the kicker and long-snapper). I credit DeBoer for that.

But it’s not likely that Saban lays that egg we saw Saturday against OU. And he damn sure wouldn’t have laid the egg we saw against them last year.

 

[editder]

the defender stepped on our guy(s) and put his hand on our guy(s) ... that's illegal leverage, correct? Yet another obvious missed call by the zebras. Not the reason we lost, but would have been HUGE to have one more play.

Regardless, not impressed (AT ALL) with Talty's yelling at his snapper - who did right thing to not respond. Your job is to kick it through the uprights and you didn't do it (and you're only 11/17 this season). Notwithstanding the "high snap". Maybe the rest of the team should yell at him when he misses again.

That’s what I thought, too. He may have been stationary and within a yard of the line, but he pushed off of our guy with his hand and stepped on his back.

I was also disappointed that the announcers didn’t comment on it at all. At least they should have anticipated that a lot of the audience might have been thinking it was illegal even if they didn’t think it was.

 

[JDCrimson]

I think there are valid points on both sides of this argument. Yes, Saban’s teams started getting really sloppy with the silly penalties and other unforced errors in 2022, possibly earlier. A lot of it has to do with NIL and the portal, but he was also starting to go soft anyway. Maybe it was advancing age or just loss of interest, preferring to do commercials with Prime Time than to focus on the task at hand. I don’t blame him for anything. He provided a second great dynasty in my lifetime and doesn’t need to do anything else in my book.

The poor discipline continued into last season, but for the most part, I’ve been impressed with the extent that a lot of those issues have been cleaned up this year. There also doesn’t appear to be much dissension on the team like we’ve seen the last few years. The players seem to like and support each other (with the possible exception of the kicker and long-snapper). I credit DeBoer for that.

But it’s not likely that Saban lays that egg we saw Saturday against OU. And he damn sure wouldn’t have laid the egg we saw against them last year.

It ultimately comes down to the quality of the assistants. Saban nor CKD can coach the whole team every position. Saban's last assistants were letting alot of stuff slide because he was losing leverage over them as well. The former HCs as now assistants being the biggest offenders.

 

[editder]

It ultimately comes down to the quality of the assistants. Saban nor CKD can coach the whole team every position. Saban's last assistants were letting alot of stuff slide because he was losing leverage over them as well. The former HCs as now assistants being the biggest offenders.

That’s true of every head coach.

 

[Jack Bourbon]

Did he by any chance talk about the missed FG followed by the blame game tantrum?

I’ve only watched his breakdowns a few times but he seems like the kind of guy to not be impressed by that whole deal.

I can see him saying something to the effect of…

“Hey the holder got it down laces our brother… make the Kick!…. Don’t blame your teammates on the field because you didn’t drive through the kick”.

Theres a guy with punting channel who addressed it here:

 

[Cruiser]

Regardless of a problem with the hold, you should not blame and embarrass your teammate that way. Speaks poorly of the kicker's character that he did that.

Might have been funny if the holder had gone "Barrett Jones" on him

 

[Cruiser]

When on the hash, he tends to snatch at the ball and it hooks. His follow through is off. If you watch consistent kickers, they hit a 25 yard kick the same as a 45 yard kick - its the technique that gives consistency. Cant remember the game but there was a wild hook from short range..and it wasn't the snap...this wasn't the snap either. Whoever is coaching the kickers needs to make him make 10 in a row from each hash and in the middle....from 30/35/40/45 in practice

They don't have enough daylight for that to happen

 

[gtgilbert]

Tyler Booker was most definitely a tough guy.

I'm not big on challenging dudes manhood who are actually in the game.

That being said, kickers need to shut up and kick, or just play soccer.

nah, TB just stayed at a holiday inn express...

 

[Special K]

The sack Ty took that turned the ball over at the end of the third quarter was created by Carrol completely whiffing on a 280 lb defensive end who beat him one on one with an outside speed rush on 3rd and 9. Let that sink in for just a minute. A 280 lb speed rush that he never even laid a hand on. Not the guy on the other side at about 230. The offensive play call was a five man route with no check down and no OL help with a TE chip or a back. There are several things to be said. The staff obviously believes Carrol can make that block. He didn't. What are they seeing in practice to lead them to that call? The whiff was directly in Ty's face. It is his job to see that and do one of two things; eat the ball or get rid of it. He did neither. So we have several options for blame. I am out of the school that says if the staff calls that play and you get surprised, eat it and punt. I also don't believe the staff should put the line or Ty in that situation at that point in the game.

With this one post you pretty much summed up what’s wrong with our offense in a big picture kind of way. It’s not that the OL is (consistently) all that bad. It’s not that the playcalling is all that terrible. It’s not that Ty always holds the ball too long. It’s that all those factors seem to come together in a negative way at the most critical points in the game. In that situation you mention that play should never have been called knowing you have a QB that tends to hold it too long and you have OTs that are vulnerable to speed rushes. Recipe for disaster and that’s what we got.

 

[BamaFan6462]

"Let's bring in our rules expert Matt Austin." He's wrong more than he's right.

Matt Austin

That’s what I thought, too. He may have been stationary and within a yard of the line, but he pushed off of our guy with his hand and stepped on his back.

I was also disappointed that the announcers didn’t comment on it at all. At least they should have anticipated that a lot of the audience might have been thinking it was illegal even if they didn’t think it was.

They’ve gotten very bad about that the past couple of years. No comment, no replay on quite a few plays that would’ve been covered in the past. I’m guessing someone in the network has been directing the announcers to speed the game along so more commercials get squeezed in and that’s a way of doing it. Danielson going on and on and on about a play or flag/no call was annoying to no end but one or two replays on a call viewers may question isn’t too much to ask. I’ve even seen a few plays where an announcer did question something and they only show one full speed replay.