Game Thread: Florida State vs NC State - Friday night game ESPN

[Bazza]

FSU....smh......

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

And still I wonder how we lost to this team. Truly insane.

 

[BamaFanInTally]

He should be gone, but I think FSU realizes the competition for the coaches they would want is too intense this year. Plus his buyout is in the $50-$60 range. Maybe if Gus is asked to stay on for next year as HC, then they could dump Norvell in hopes that the available coaching pool will be better. IMO, Gus would be an upgrade on Norvell

FSU can’t afford to fire Norvell. Not sure they can afford to keep him either though.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

The OU game went about the same. Ty had a similar performance where he holds the ball too long and and we had a lack luster day on the LOS. The Defense was no where near where it has evolved.

Ty sort of reminds me of Joe Ferguson of the 70s and early 80d Bills. Things seem to spiral psychologically for him when he starts off the game making mistakes.

 

[BamaNation]

Watched this game last night. I have no idea how we possibly lost to FSU. none. Made me mad all over again.

Unbelievable how bad Castellano is. And he beat us. Like he said he would. Ridiculous.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

Interesting post over on Warchant .....

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

Meltdown!

 

[TideEngineer08]

To me the only game that stands out was the Trevor knight game. I think knight played crazy good in Nola vs us but there was alot about that game that requires context as well.

But after the 2010 USCe game I never thought Garcia was the reason we lost, and have for years wondered where everyone gets this “Garcia” game idea. What I thought that day was USCe was far more fresh and physical than we were and absolutely took the game from us. I remember when Calzada beat us everyone was saying “Garcia game 2.0”… I was like “what game were yall watching?” We lost to aTm that night because our offense couldn’t punch it in on the goal line with Bryce young on multiple trips and our kickoff team kept letting guys go right past us.

Garcia hit a few crazy passes and that’s what we remember.

You’re absolutely right that Lattimore was the bigger issue for our defense that day, and to me the biggest issue in all of these “Garcia games” is our offense choking.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I think Alabama fans tend to overhype mediocre quarterbacks who beat us to the point that they lose sight on what actually beat us. I would say a far bigger issue vs FSU was that their running backs hit 152 yards and 3 of them were averaging 4 yards a carry. It’s like every Alabama fan who hypes up Stephen Garcia… he had an elevated day for him but it really was an average day overall.

Stephen Garcia wasn't even the best QB in that game but nobody ever looks at it.

Garcia - 17 for 20, 201 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
McElroy - 27 for 34, 315 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT

In that game, Alabama had:
- more first downs
- more yards
- 150 more passing yards
- the same number of turnovers
- and ran 7 more plays from scrimmage
- a safety against (wait for it) Stephen Garcia on the first play of the second half

What beat us that day was Lattimore and their defense totally shut down our running game.

You know what will stun people?
To learn that after halftime adjustments....

Stephen Garcia: 8 for 10, 106 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 1 safety, 1 sack
And 45 yards of that passing was on one play.

Garcia had SIX OTHER GAMES in 2010 where he passed for more than the 201 yards he passed against us and they were 3-3.

What gave rise to the "Stephen Garcia had a stellar day" was Gary Danielson saying it over and over for a decade and his "to beat Alabama you've gotta have a hot quarterback."

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Thank you. The Garcia thing gets on my nerves...think it was RBR who did a deep dive years ago and virtually all of the so called "career day beat Bama" stereotypes were inaccurate statistically

This is generally true.

Look, TEBOW did beat us in 2008, but we were lucky to be leading in the fourth quarter anyway. I don't think there's a fan on this board who is grounded in reality who thinks we were better than Florida in 2008.

2010 Iron Bowl
McElroy -27 for 37, 2 TD, 377 yards
Newton - 13 for 20, 3 TD; 22 carries for 39 yards, 1 TD, 216 yards

Newton wasn't the best QB in the game statistically, and Greg lost a TD because of the most insane fumble you will ever see.

2012 aTm
Manziel - 24 of 31 for 253, 2 TD; 18 rushes for 92 yards, 1 TD
McCarron - 21 of 34 for 309, 1 TD, 1 INT

YES, Manziel was better and he's why they won, but he wasn't "that much" better. If we had an OC with a functional brain, we win that one even with all those yards JF2 got.

2013 Iron Bowl
Marshall - 11 of 16 for 97 yards, 2 TD; 17 rush for 99 yards, 1 TD
McCarron - 17 of 29 for 277, 3 TD, 4 rush for 16 yards

We lost that game more due to kicking failures (not just the obvious one), failed fourth down conversions and every manner of whatever. Auburn doesn't win without Marshall's stats but almost anyone running the Gus offense would have had similar numbers, too.

2014 Sugar Bowl (Oklahoma)
Knight - 32 of 44 for 348 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT
McCarron - 19 of 30 for 387 yards, 2TD, 2 INT

OK, yes, Knight was better than AJ - but we all know about context in this one, too.

2014 Ole Miss - yes, Bo Wallace was better, but his line isn't exactly superstar:
18 of 31 for 253, 3 TD, 0 INT

2015 Ole Miss
Alabama had:
- 13 more first downs (29-16)
- 70 more yards
- 1/2 as many penalties

But the key stat in this game was the 5-0 deficit in turnovers. Yes, Kelly did have 341 yards passing of which 139 yards came on a lucky toss up (that could have been disastrous for Ole Miss) and an illegal forward pass. It's not that I'm diminishing it, but this was not "Chad Kelly sliced up the 2011 defense and made Alabama look awful."

Ole Miss beat us, but they didn't win because Chad Kelly was some next-level college QB, either.

Gary Danielson promoted that narrative incessantly but the "evidence" is far less than the details suggest.

 

[81usaf92]

This is generally true.

Look, TEBOW did beat us in 2008, but we were lucky to be leading in the fourth quarter anyway. I don't think there's a fan on this board who is grounded in reality who thinks we were better than Florida in 2008.

2010 Iron Bowl
McElroy -27 for 37, 2 TD, 377 yards
Newton - 13 for 20, 3 TD; 22 carries for 39 yards, 1 TD, 216 yards

Newton wasn't the best QB in the game statistically, and Greg lost a TD because of the most insane fumble you will ever see.

2012 aTm
Manziel - 24 of 31 for 253, 2 TD; 18 rushes for 92 yards, 1 TD
McCarron - 21 of 34 for 309, 1 TD, 1 INT

YES, Manziel was better and he's why they won, but he wasn't "that much" better. If we had an OC with a functional brain, we win that one even with all those yards JF2 got.

2013 Iron Bowl
Marshall - 11 of 16 for 97 yards, 2 TD; 17 rush for 99 yards, 1 TD
McCarron - 17 of 29 for 277, 3 TD, 4 rush for 16 yards

We lost that game more due to kicking failures (not just the obvious one), failed fourth down conversions and every manner of whatever. Auburn doesn't win without Marshall's stats but almost anyone running the Gus offense would have had similar numbers, too.

2014 Sugar Bowl (Oklahoma)
Knight - 32 of 44 for 348 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT
McCarron - 19 of 30 for 387 yards, 2TD, 2 INT

OK, yes, Knight was better than AJ - but we all know about context in this one, too.

2014 Ole Miss - yes, Bo Wallace was better, but his line isn't exactly superstar:
18 of 31 for 253, 3 TD, 0 INT

2015 Ole Miss
Alabama had:
- 13 more first downs (29-16)
- 70 more yards
- 1/2 as many penalties

But the key stat in this game was the 5-0 deficit in turnovers. Yes, Kelly did have 341 yards passing of which 139 yards came on a lucky toss up (that could have been disastrous for Ole Miss) and an illegal forward pass. It's not that I'm diminishing it, but this was not "Chad Kelly sliced up the 2011 defense and made Alabama look awful."

Ole Miss beat us, but they didn't win because Chad Kelly was some next-level college QB, either.

Gary Danielson promoted that narrative incessantly but the "evidence" is far less than the details suggest.

Knight was the only guy I can think of who was a mid to mediocre quarterback that had a crazy day to beat us after having a career day under saban from 08-24. Everyone else either had a great running day or won the turnover game to beat us. For DeBoer it’s mostly the same. In all 4 losses last year we lost the turnover margin or were out rushed by a considerable margin.

Now under Saban… 14 Auburn nearly was the mythical “Garcia” game.

 

[bamajas]

This is generally true.

Look, TEBOW did beat us in 2008, but we were lucky to be leading in the fourth quarter anyway. I don't think there's a fan on this board who is grounded in reality who thinks we were better than Florida in 2008.

2010 Iron Bowl
McElroy -27 for 37, 2 TD, 377 yards
Newton - 13 for 20, 3 TD; 22 carries for 39 yards, 1 TD, 216 yards

Newton wasn't the best QB in the game statistically, and Greg lost a TD because of the most insane fumble you will ever see.

2012 aTm
Manziel - 24 of 31 for 253, 2 TD; 18 rushes for 92 yards, 1 TD
McCarron - 21 of 34 for 309, 1 TD, 1 INT

YES, Manziel was better and he's why they won, but he wasn't "that much" better. If we had an OC with a functional brain, we win that one even with all those yards JF2 got.

2013 Iron Bowl
Marshall - 11 of 16 for 97 yards, 2 TD; 17 rush for 99 yards, 1 TD
McCarron - 17 of 29 for 277, 3 TD, 4 rush for 16 yards

We lost that game more due to kicking failures (not just the obvious one), failed fourth down conversions and every manner of whatever. Auburn doesn't win without Marshall's stats but almost anyone running the Gus offense would have had similar numbers, too.

2014 Sugar Bowl (Oklahoma)
Knight - 32 of 44 for 348 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT
McCarron - 19 of 30 for 387 yards, 2TD, 2 INT

OK, yes, Knight was better than AJ - but we all know about context in this one, too.

2014 Ole Miss - yes, Bo Wallace was better, but his line isn't exactly superstar:
18 of 31 for 253, 3 TD, 0 INT

2015 Ole Miss
Alabama had:
- 13 more first downs (29-16)
- 70 more yards
- 1/2 as many penalties

But the key stat in this game was the 5-0 deficit in turnovers. Yes, Kelly did have 341 yards passing of which 139 yards came on a lucky toss up (that could have been disastrous for Ole Miss) and an illegal forward pass. It's not that I'm diminishing it, but this was not "Chad Kelly sliced up the 2011 defense and made Alabama look awful."

Ole Miss beat us, but they didn't win because Chad Kelly was some next-level college QB, either.

Gary Danielson promoted that narrative incessantly but the "evidence" is far less than the details suggest.

The piece I’m remembering looked at guys who weren’t typically studs, like Garcia, Wallace, Kelly and compared them to their non-Bama averages