FSU to the SEC?

[cjhadley]

When in doubt...follow the money. No wonder schools are lining up to join us and/or the Big10.

Over that time period the schools will make in millions:
Big 10------------- 626.2
SEC------------------646.1
Big 12--------------368.6
Pac 12--------------365.3
ACC-----------------352.2

I don't blame the schools who are able to leave to try to get out. How can Clemson compete with South Carolina with a 293.9 deficit in revenue. That goes for FSU and Miami competing with Florida.

 

[cjhadley]

A few decades back Men's Golf went to have tournaments with 12 or so teams rather than matches with another team. Much more economical and easier on travel, etc...except that some of these tournaments were in Japan, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico...
I could see smaller sports doing something like that...Baseball would not work due to lack of pitchers.

Baseball and Softball could do smaller tournaments with 4 teams over a weekend. They play 3 games over a weekend now, so instead of playing 3 head to head games against a single team have a host team and a mini tournament over the weekend.

 

[BamaInBham]

Here's the best compilation I've found on the subject:
View attachment 32396

Thanks so much. That makes a lot more sense than what I inferred from the other linked article. It was probably just incomplete information. Again, thanks so much, I was alarmed .

 

[TideEngineer08]

Oregon, Washington confident Big Ten has expansion spots open for them: report

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247sports.com

Now granted... I think Stanford and especially Cal are not worth a roll of toilet paper that has been plastered on those poor trees at Toomer's Corner. But I'm surprised at least Stanford has not been mentioned as an enticement for Notre Dame.

 

[GP for Bama]

I have always prefered Va. Tech over Virginia. I think they would be a better fit for the SEC. I know I'm in the minority on this but I think that NC State would be a good fit for the SEC also. I think if you get them out of the shadow of North Carolina and Duke and into a conference like the SEC their fanbases will grow.

I agree. North Carolina State and Virginia Tech would be excellent fits for the SEC. They would bring the large media markets of North Carolina and Virginia... even DC.
It would stretch the SEC footprint from Washington DC thru Texas.

Of course I really liked the SEC at 10 teams... but those days are long gone.

 

[cjhadley]

I agree. North Carolina State and Virginia Tech would be excellent fits for the SEC. They would bring the large media markets of North Carolina and Virginia... even DC.
It would stretch the SEC footprint from Washington DC thru Texas.

Of course I really liked the SEC at 10 teams... but those days are long gone.

I don't remember the SEC at 10, but I do miss the SEC at 12. Texas A&M has grown on me being in the conference, but I still can't get Missouri being in. Missouri belongs in the BIG 12 or the BIG 10. If I could I would trade them for West Virginia. I know the SEC would lose the St. Louis and Kansas City markets, but program wise I think West Virginia is a better fit.

 

[81usaf92]

I don't remember the SEC at 10, but I do miss the SEC at 12. Texas A&M has grown on me being in the conference, but I still can't get Missouri being in. Missouri belongs in the BIG 12 or the BIG 10. If I could I would trade them for West Virginia. I know the SEC would lose the St. Louis and Kansas City markets, but program wise I think West Virginia is a better fit.

Missouri is there because Nebraska back stabbed them to the B1G, and they were the best partner with aTm to the SEC. Missouri out of all the teams in the big XII was the most adversely affected by the LHN and wanted to jump to the B1G but had a year under contract left but Nebraska was free, and couldn’t allow Missouri to get a conference upgrade over them.

As far as West Virginia and Va Tech…. They have brought their new conferences nothing and really offer nothing but a mediocre football team.

 

[BamaMoon]

I don't remember the SEC at 10, but I do miss the SEC at 12. Texas A&M has grown on me being in the conference, but I still can't get Missouri being in. Missouri belongs in the BIG 12 or the BIG 10. If I could I would trade them for West Virginia. I know the SEC would lose the St. Louis and Kansas City markets, but program wise I think West Virginia is a better fit.

The SEC going from 10 to 12 changed college football forever. That's when the SEC added the SECCG and the rest is history.

As a traditionalist, I like the pre-division days, but as a football fan I like being able to watch every Bama game on TV and having a football season that stretches to 15 games (and more in the near future). More football the better!!!

Those that don't remember pre-1992 era also probably don't know Bama only had a few games a year on TV and you listened to most games on the radio.

 

[TideEngineer08]

The SEC going from 10 to 12 changed college football forever. That's when the SEC added the SECCG and the rest is history.

As a traditionalist, I like the pre-division days, but as a football fan I like being able to watch every Bama game on TV and having a football season that stretches to 15 games (and more in the near future). More football the better!!!

Those that don't remember pre-1992 era also probably don't know Bama only had a few games a year on TV and you listened to most games on the radio.

Even after that era began, you had to have cable or satellite to get most of the games.

I did not get to watch the 1994 Alabama vs. Georgia Barker/Zeier shootout. It was on ESPN and we did not have satellite. We listened to Eli and Doug Layton call it on the radio.

We did not have a satellite until 1996.

I have very little memories of championship races prior to 1992. My first memories are of the 1990 season, and I can remember Jim Nance breaking down where each team stood in the SEC championship race and the bowl picture prior to the Iron Bowl that season. But I still think it was a better time when the SEC was 10, the Big Ten was actually 10, etc.

One thing that was never going to work, however, was the SWC being what it was and the Big 8 maintaining what it was. There was always going to be movement along that front. There was always going to be something to be done with all of these Independent teams east of the Mississippi River.

 

[cjhadley]

The SEC going from 10 to 12 changed college football forever. That's when the SEC added the SECCG and the rest is history.

As a traditionalist, I like the pre-division days, but as a football fan I like being able to watch every Bama game on TV and having a football season that stretches to 15 games (and more in the near future). More football the better!!!

Those that don't remember pre-1992 era also probably don't know Bama only had a few games a year on TV and you listened to most games on the radio.

I remember having to listen to the games on the radio and I even rented a couple of games on PPV in the early 2000s. I do like being able to watch all the games now and I’m not even against the expansion, but I do think it needs to be done strategically and not as just a reaction to what the BIG 10 is doing. I think the BIG 10 is spreading out to much and it is going to cause them problems in the future. If the SEC can add teams to increase its value without moving to far outside of it s current boundaries the I am for it.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

The SEC going from 10 to 12 changed college football forever. That's when the SEC added the SECCG and the rest is history.

If someone was to do a "30 for 30," they could have a lot of fun with the first half of 1990 where it concerns college football. (Someone needs to do one on the 48 hours that changed the dynasty from USC to Alabma in 2008. USC lost to Oregon St on Thursday, Florida lost to Ole Miss, and we smashed UGA in the blackout game).

But as a reminder in the name of historical accuracy: The Big Ten started this whole thing when they invited Penn State to join the conference on December 20, 1989. And then Notre Dame just one month later backed out of being part of the CFA and said, "We're gonna get our own TV contract," which they did.

Those 2 actions FORCED the SEC to do something.
The original edict was that Kramer had the authority to try to expand the SEC to 16 teams. The wish list included Texas and the Aggies, South Carolina, Arky, and the Florida powerhouses (FSU and Miami). SCAR and Arky took us up - and that's when they said, "We can make a killing with a conference championship game."

As a traditionalist, I like the pre-division days, but as a football fan I like being able to watch every Bama game on TV and having a football season that stretches to 15 games (and more in the near future). More football the better!!!

Those that don't remember pre-1992 era also probably don't know Bama only had a few games a year on TV and you listened to most games on the radio.

Here's another one that the modern fans don't understand.

If you go look at a Wikipedia page, it'll show that ESPN broadcast the 1981 Alabama vs Georgia Tech game, and they did. Sort of. ESPN broadcasts prior to 1984 were TAPE DELAY broadcasts, where they did the typical broadcast including pregame, halftime, and postgame but didn't show the game until AFTER ALL SATURDAY GAMES WERE COMPLETE!! (This wasn't uncommon with sports back then. The Miracle on Ice was shown on ABC several hours after the game was played. And the Indy 500 wasn't aired live until 1982).

ESPN back then needed programming because they were new. They didn't have all the sports they do now - and they figured they'd add several hours of CFB on Sunday. And they would repeat air those games. I actually saw the 1981 MSU-Alabama game on Tuesday after it was played on Saturday, and I'd heard it on radio.

I know it's a painful memory for Alabama fans BUT.....the 1972 Iron Bowl, featuring a second straight battle of two Top Ten teams and a dramatic finish.....wasn't televised.

Not even regionally.

In 1980-81, Alabama reached the maximum of five TV appearances. And ABC was holding back because they knew it was likely Bryant was going to pass Stagg's record against either MSU, Penn State, or Auburn that fall.

As it turned out, they aired both the tying game (Penn St) and the record breaker.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I "get" it, I really do.


But I'm half inclined to say to FSU:

"You folks didn't want anything to do with us back when you were a national brand.
Get lost."

I know, it's not good business.

But drive their share down maybe?
Desperate people will do "different" things.

 

[BamaMoon]

But as a reminder in the name of historical accuracy: The Big Ten started this whole thing when they invited Penn State to join the conference on December 20, 1989. And then Notre Dame just one month later backed out of being part of the CFA and said, "We're gonna get our own TV contract," which they did.

Those 2 actions FORCED the SEC to do something.

I literally could not remember Penn State was an independent before the B1G. I had to look it up!

Makes better sense they'd schedule the home and homes with the likes of Bama in those days.

 

[BamaMoon]

I "get" it, I really do.


But I'm half inclined to say to FSU:

"You folks didn't want anything to do with us back when you were a national brand.
Get lost."

I know, it's not good business.

But drive their share down maybe?
Desperate people will do "different" things.

Kinda how I feel about 'em too. I actually always liked Florida State after Bowden brought them to prominence in the 80's and 90's. It probably had something to do with CBB being a Bama boy. Those FSU vs. Miami games back in the day were must-watch!

On a side note, the only good I see from FSU coming into the SEC is that UF isn't geographically challenged as much as most teams in the SEC with a nearby school (I guess the Barn would be closest) and their addition could cause a little more drama with recruiting and might keep a resurging UF team in check (if they ever had another Spurrier or Urban era). I realize that's a stretch, but that's about all I got.

 

[BamaMoon]

RE the Virginia/NC vs. NCST/Virginia St debate: It may be true the latter fit better culturally/academically, but a lot of this is fan/alumni logic. It would seem to me at the end of the day the PTB of the flagships would rather take the SEC money than allowing their little brothers.

I'm not worried at all that Virginia or NC aren't "football schools." If they join the league they'll eventually catch up and become one.

However, I will say, if the SEC is bent on expansion, just go ahead and add all four and go to 20.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I literally could not remember Penn State was an independent before the B1G. I had to look it up!

Makes better sense they'd schedule the home and homes with the likes of Bama in those days.

But that's understandable because Penn State - like Nebraska, quite frankly - wanted to be in the Big 10 going at least back into the 1970s, maybe earlier.

A few days before Christmas 1980, the President of Ohio State (Harold Emerson) wanted to set up a meeting with B1G commish Wayne Duke and Penn State outgoing Prez Jack (Harvey) Oswald in the hopes of adding them to the B1G. (Their teams were playing in that year's Fiesta Bowl). But Penn State was in the CFA group that about that time declared they were suing the NCAA. This put Penn State smack dab between the Rose Bowl schools and conferences....and their contractual TV money.

The B1G basically smothered that idea in the crib at that time.

Scheduling the ten-year H/H ensured an unbeaten Penn State would be in the national title hunt.
And as an independent not sharing conference monies then, they were a lot more dependent on a high-paying bowl game than the worst teams in the SEC were.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Kinda how I feel about 'em too. I actually always liked Florida State after Bowden brought them to prominence in the 80's and 90's. It probably had something to do with CBB being a Bama boy. Those FSU vs. Miami games back in the day were must-watch!

On a side note, the only good I see from FSU coming into the SEC is that UF isn't geographically challenged as much as most teams in the SEC with a nearby school (I guess the Barn would be closest) and their addition could cause a little more drama with recruiting and might keep a resurging UF team in check (if they ever had another Spurrier or Urban era). I realize that's a stretch, but that's about all I got.

I liked FSU until they cried and begged the national media for an undeserved "second chance" for the national championship in 1993.

I hated them ever after.

And had West Virginia been named MIAMI or NOTRE DAME in 1993 - and been undefeated at the end of the regular season - FSU would have gotten zero consideration. But "oh that's West Virginia" meant "they're not really any good."

 

[Tenntiderman]

no. I think however North Carolina will try to come with a preferred package. Who that is with them is the question. I would say Virginia and NC most likely

Ugggh

 

[UAH]

Kinda how I feel about 'em too. I actually always liked Florida State after Bowden brought them to prominence in the 80's and 90's. It probably had something to do with CBB being a Bama boy. Those FSU vs. Miami games back in the day were must-watch!

On a side note, the only good I see from FSU coming into the SEC is that UF isn't geographically challenged as much as most teams in the SEC with a nearby school (I guess the Barn would be closest) and their addition could cause a little more drama with recruiting and might keep a resurging UF team in check (if they ever had another Spurrier or Urban era). I realize that's a stretch, but that's about all I got.

We lived 50 mi. from Tallahassee and our son played youth baseball there during the Bowden era. We went to baseball camps at FSU and met a number of coaches and former football players who had kids playing baseball. We went to football games and of course followed FSU football. I have fond memories of those days and have nothing negative to say about the city or the University except Jimbo Fisher. I can understand why they chose to stay out of the SEC if one considers the competition with Miami and Florida at that time. I would tend to think of them as more appropriate for the SEC than Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M for that matter

 

[BamaMoon]

We lived 50 mi. from Tallahassee and our son played youth baseball there during the Bowden era. We went to baseball camps at FSU and met a number of coaches and former football players who had kids playing baseball. We went to football games and of course followed FSU football. I have fond memories of those days and have nothing negative to say about the city or the University except Jimbo Fisher. I can understand why they chose to stay out of the SEC if one considers the competition with Miami and Florida at that time. I would tend to think of them as more appropriate for the SEC than Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M for that matter

Is there anybody that has ever admitted to liking Jimbo Fisher?