Gene Marsh

[TiderinMiss]

Folks, put your thinking cap on for a minute...


1. Gene Marsh, as stated above, was chosen to be rotated into the position before the penalties were handed down. He might have been taken in by the NCAA, but I don't believe he conspired with the NCAA to bring Bama down. How many of you were led to believe that Mike Dubose would make a good head coach back in 1996? We all make mistakes in judgement.

2. When Tommy Gallion announced that he was representing Cottrell and Williams against the NCAA, one of the things he said he wanted "was to get UT the death penalty."

3. Gallion drops Marsh from the suit.

4. Isn't it possible, to accomplish #2 that Gallion came up with #3?


...think about it.

 

[bat123]

Huh?

Gene Marsh's promotion to Chair of the Infractions Committee was scheduled almost 2 years ago...before all of this started...just like his successor is scheduled now (Nebraska's member of the Infractions Committee will be the next chair in September of 2006).

This is a position that rotates every two years.

I, for one, am looking forward to having someone like Marsh in charge. Yeager wasn't prepared. He was immature. His lack of personal control may have shaped his "message" he was trying to send Alabama.

Gallion would not have dropped Marsh if he wasn't satisfied that Marsh didn't do anything to hurt the University of Alabama.

Gene Marsh's promotion to Chair of the Infractions Committee was scheduled almost 2 years ago...before all of this started
So tell me just when do you think all this started? I think it was a little longer than two years ago........

 

[Alanbama27]

Are you really that naive

First of all, he'll be in charge.

Secondly, his testimony will be about what he was told and when he was told it. Gallion will handle cross-examining Johanningmeier to determine if he was telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

I don't think Yeager was involved, other than being fed incorrect information and being too immature for the position of power he was placed in.

to believe that Yaeger was simply a pawn in Johannigmiers game? You really need to wake up and smell the coffee if that's what you believe. As head of the INFRACTIONS committee, Yaeger was personally responsible for his comments as well as whether or not he or the committee heard and believed what Johannigmier said. He personally read EVERY DOCUMENT and if not, then he wasn't fit to even be on the committee, much less the head of it.

Also, Thomas Yaeger personally wrote the words he spoke when handing down the verdict and he personally is responsible for all of it!

Finally, you are wrong as to how you become the head of the committee. It is not set in stone. There is a nominating committee who nominates you and then there is a vote. However, the vote portion of it is pretty much a rubber stamp approval of what the committee decides. This was not set in stone 2 years ago and there is no guarantee that Nebraska's rep will be the head of the infractions committee in two years.

 

[Bamalaw92]

Did anything wrong, just that he is now in a pickle and it seems as though he's in a NO WIN situation. I agree that the NzAA lied to both he and Robins and they acted on good faith. However, he can't win in this situation. "IF" he testifies as expected on behalf of Team Cottrell, he is in effect testifying AGAINST his NzAA collegues! That's all I was saying. He has to work with both groups and it will be difficult to stair Tom Yaeger or Rich Johannigmier in the face if he is calling them both under handed liers.

No I don't think I missed your point at all. I was addressing your first assertion that Gene was dropped from the suit so he could testify on behalf of Team Cottrell. I don't believe that was the motivation. The motivation was that there is no case against him.

As for him facing the NCAA, it is well known that Gene was furious with the way he was treated by them and duped. He has looked straight into both of these gentlemen's faces and called them liars already. He has no qualms about doing it again. Does anyone think Gene may want the chairmanship so he can attempt to clean up the NCAA??

 

[TerryP]

A couple of quick notes to clarify. While Marsh did wave the SW situation, he did so only because he felt, and rightfully so, that the NCAA would see what Culpepper was. On the other hand, they simply ignored the axe he had to grind.

Look no further than Auburn when they attacked the *witness* against them in their latest battle with the NCAA. They were able to discredit him. We, on the other hand, didn't have that opportunity.

Secondly, if anyone "sold out Bama" it's Sorenson, not Marsh. Think about it. Remember how quickly his exit was from T-town. There is a reason!

T

 

[Bamalaw92]

A couple of quick notes to clarify. While Marsh did wave the SW situation, he did so only because he felt, and rightfully so, that the NCAA would see what Culpepper was. On the other hand, they simply ignored the axe he had to grind.

Look no further than Auburn when they attacked the *witness* against them in their latest battle with the NCAA. They were able to discredit him. We, on the other hand, didn't have that opportunity.

Secondly, if anyone "sold out Bama" it's Sorenson, not Marsh. Think about it. Remember how quickly his exit was from T-town. There is a reason!

T

I agree with the Sorenson comment. Wholeheartedly!

I take a bit of issue with you on the waiver. What Marsh agreed to was extremely limited in an effort to let Alabama know what the NCAA had. He never agreed that it could be used in the presentation to the COI on all counts.

 

[bayoutider]

Marsh and Robins said the NCAA more or less said they would go along with the sanctions the University presented if they rolled over and didn't put up a big fight, if they did the University was looking at a possible death penalty. If anything, Marsh and Robins were doing everything they thought possible to protect the University. The NCAA said one thing then did something completely different. Rich Hilliard, of Ice Miller, pretty much sat closed lipped during the procedings due to what the NCAA told Marsh. Hilliard was simply window dressing. (Richard Hilliard has been dismissed from the Cottrell, Williams suit also) Cunningham Bounds presented the NCAA with one of the most impressive briefs I and many others have ever seen, yet the NCAA simply denied the appeal without addressing any of the issues presented and there were a number of issues that were irregular as we all know.
The University could have had the United States supreme Court Judges sitting on their side of the table and the NCAA would have rendered the same verdict.

 

[denbama]

Run Marsh out on a rail...nt

rtr

 

[wastedmason]

While as much as Gene Marsh's appointment as the next chairman of the NCAA is surprising to me , I can not fathom the idea that he would sell out his employer at the time, especially if as has come to light he knew of his impeding apointment. To many people to answer to.

If that be true though, then the conspiracy theory takes on an even more darker side. Plant a compliance officer inside to make taking down Bama easier? Then who hired him in the first place? Sorenson? How long has this conspiracy been in motion? 10 YEARS? 15? 20?

Could this conspiracy have been hatched even when coach Bryant was coach? Just might make sense. But lord help us if it did.

Personally, I feel GM was duped into thinking he was doing the right thing albeit he may have had personal reasons for cooperating with the NCAA as apparently has come to light.

Not knowing him personally, nor his motives, I for one will not crucify him for making a mistake in judgement. Lord knows I've made my share.

Gallion and Co. released him from their lawsuit for a reason. They don't think he is guilty! Should any of us second guess team Cottrell? Not I! Besides they have his deposition, which I believe is under oath, so what more do they need?

It will sure be an interesting year in more ways than one. Lets whups some A,double SS, this season on the field if you know what I mean.

:biga2: ROLL TIDE ROLL :biga2:

 

[TENNTIDE1]

I don't think Marsh sold Bama out, however, I do think the NCAA sold Marsh out. My only problem with Marsh is he doesn't have enough self respect to tell the NCAA to shove it for the way they stabbed him and Robbins in the back.

I think they, his brethern on the infractions committee, played him for a fool and it doesn't bother him. He has his own agenda and that was to be the head of the infractions committee. He was smooching the NCAAs rearend and it worked. Congratulations Gene!

It is no different than any other workplace. Sometimes, You have to play the game to get ahead. I don't play games, I just do my job as well as I can. If it gets me something, fine, if not, that is fine too. But, I will not be anyones................well...............insert your own word here.

 

[uaintn]

I tend to agree that GM was sandbagged by the Nazis. They set him up, going all the way back to the Beaman incident.

It will be very difficult to convince me, ever, that he didn't think, at the time he did it, that everything he was doing was in the best interest of the athletic programs at the Unversity of Alabama. If there was a scintilla of evidence to the contrary, Gallion/Mountain would be on him like flies on cow manure, and they have seen way more of the evidence in this matter than anyone on this board (no offense, Terry P). Sounds to me like GM could have absolutely refused to allow any secret witness info, they would have gone forward with it anyway, and cited his refusal to cooperate on that point as a part of the harshness of the penalties. And today some would be complaining that his failure to provide a harmless little waiver was what cost us so much.

Having said that, I do agree with those who wonder aloud why he did not resign from the Committee after it acted in that fashion. Perhaps one day (maybe even at the trial) someone will ask him that question and he will get a chance to explain. There is a problem with hanging out with liars and cheats....

 

[BamaBuc]

Didn't vote on this because......

I just dont know enough to convict him on this putrid evidence!
At first I heard Marie Robbins and Gene Marsh were both selling out the University for future gains! Next thing I hear and read is that they both were duped into their actions! :frown:
Does that make them guilty or does it make them stupid? How about just Ignorant of all they should have known in their positions!