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Bamalaw92 said:
Are you talking to me? Yes, I most definitely think God cares how his word is delivered.

First of all, your premise is flawed, but I will get to that in a second. How has anyone here been "exposed"? Who here has said, or demonstrated, that they believe the Bible in one instance (presumably creation v. evolution) but not "the others" (What "others" is unclear, but presumably a flat earth v. a spherical earth)? What you term as "globalists" should more properly be termed "flat earthers".

Now on to your premise that the Bible preaches that the Earth is flat. Aside from the fact that Jesus used illustrative stories or parables to reveal truths, much of the language of the Bible is metaphorical. Some, such as you, use certain quotes such as the ones you cite and Revelation 7:1 to argue that the Bible assumes a flat earth. Revelation 7:1 for example refers to angels standing at the "four corners" of the earth. Actually, the reference is to the cardinal directions: north, south, east, and west. Similar terminology is often used today when we speak of the sun's rising and setting, even though the earth, not the sun, is doing the moving. Bible writers used the "language of appearance," just as people always have. Without it, the intended message would be awkward at best and probably not understood clearly.

There are similar verses that support a spherical earth. Job 26:7 explains that the earth is suspended in space, the obvious comparison being with the spherical sun and moon. "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing." A literal translation of Job 26:10 is "He described a circle upon the face of the waters, until the day and night come to an end." A spherical earth is also described in Isaiah 40:21-22 - "the circle of the earth." Proverbs 8:27 also suggests a round earth by use of the word circle. If you are overlooking the ocean, the horizon appears as a circle. This circle on the horizon is described in Job 26:10. The circle on the face of the waters is one of the proofs that the Greeks used for a spherical earth. Yet here it is recorded in Job, ages before the Greeks discovered it. Job 26:10 indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins. This suggests day and night on a spherical globe.

Eratosthenes of Alexandria (circa 276 to 194 or 192 B.C.) calcuated the circumference of the earth "within 50 miles of the present estimate." The Greeks also drew meridians and parallels. They identified such areas as the poles, equator, and tropics. This spherical earth concept did not prevail; the Romans drew the earth as a flat disk with oceans around it. The round shape of our planet was a conclusion easily drawn by watching ships disappear over the horizon and also by observing eclipse shadows, and we can assume that such information was well known to New Testament writers.

The implication of a round earth is seen in the book of Luke, where Jesus described his return, Luke 17:31. Jesus said, "In that day," then in verse 34, "In that night." This is an allusion to light on one side of the globe and darkness on the other simultaneously.
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Maybe he is using a "Robinson Projection" or a "Mercator Projection?"
 
stammerman80 said:
Do You Think God Cares How His Word Is Delivered? But You Have Been Exposed By Not Answering.Why Do You Believe The Bible In One Instance But Not The Others? Are You Smarter Than God?
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Since You Get To Decide Who Is A Follower Of God And Who Isn't I Am Just Curious But What Do You Do In These Instances:

Do you answer a fool?
PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Is it folly to be wise or not?
PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
1 Cor.1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and wil bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

Exodus 21:2-7 allows me to sell my daughter in to slavery can I still do that?

Do you follow Deut 22:11. It says, "You shall not wear a material mixed of wool and linen together."

You like hamburgers? Lev. 3:17 tells us that we may never eat fat.
 
Bamalaw92 said:
Job 26:7 explains that the earth is suspended in space, the obvious comparison being with the spherical sun and moon. "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing." A literal translation of Job 26:10 is "He described a circle upon the face of the waters, until the day and night come to an end." A spherical earth is also described in Isaiah 40:21-22 - "the circle of the earth." Proverbs 8:27 also suggests a round earth by use of the word circle. If you are overlooking the ocean, the horizon appears as a circle. This circle on the horizon is described in Job 26:10. The circle on the face of the waters is one of the proofs that the Greeks used for a spherical earth. Yet here it is recorded in Job, ages before the Greeks discovered it. Job 26:10 indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins. This suggests day and night on a spherical globe.
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It Is Clear I Am Not Wanted On This Board. That Is OKAY. It Is The Reception Christians Have Gotten For Ages. And Because The Program I Write These In Capitalizes My Words? Or Because You Don’t Want To Talk About What I Have Come To Say? It Could Be Either. But TheBible Is The Written Word Of God. Its Is Historically And Scientifically True. I Think You Even Agree As A Christian.

About Job You Have Only Mentioned Some Parts. And If You Stand In Any One Place And Look Around OfCourse The World Looks Like A Circle. Because It Is. But Not a Globe. If The Eart Is A Globe What Are The Pillars Of Heaven Then? Job 26:11. They Support The Firmanent That God Put The Heavens In. Read Genesis 1:16.
 
stammerman80 said:
It Is Clear I Am Not Wanted On This Board. That Is OKAY. It Is The Reception Christians Have Gotten For Ages. And Because The Program I Write These In Capitalizes My Words? Or Because You Don’t Want To Talk About What I Have Come To Say? It Could Be Either. But TheBible Is The Written Word Of God. Its Is Historically And Scientifically True. I Think You Even Agree As A Christian.
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Quit the pity party and grow up. I definitely talked about what you had to say.

About Job You Have Only Mentioned Some Parts. And If You Stand In Any One Place And Look Around OfCourse The World Looks Like A Circle. Because It Is. But Not a Globe. If The Eart Is A Globe What Are The Pillars Of Heaven Then? Job 26:11. They Support The Firmanent That God Put The Heavens In. Read Genesis 1:16.
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I have read the entire Bible many times. I have also studied ancient cultures. I suggest you do the same. You conveniently gloss over the part that wherein I talk about the proof the Greeks used for a spherical earth theory was found in Job a thousand years before the Greeks. There is more evidence that the ancient jews and Christians believed in a spherical earth than not. It was the later day Romans that put forth the flat disc theory. As for the "pillars of heaven", I would suggest you also study basic literature and the use of symbolism and metaphors in storytelling.

What "program" do you write your posts in seperate and apart from the board here? Do you cut and paste?
 
Bamalaw92 said:
Quit the pity party and grow up. I definitely talked about what you had to say.

I have read the entire Bible many times. I have also studied ancient cultures. I suggest you do the same. You conveniently gloss over the part that wherein I talk about the proof the Greeks used for a spherical earth theory was found in Job a thousand years before the Greeks. There is more evidence that the ancient jews and Christians believed in a spherical earth than not. It was the later day Romans that put forth the flat disc theory. As for the "pillars of heaven", I would suggest you also study basic literature and the use of symbolism and metaphors in storytelling.
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The Only Pity I Have Is For Your Soul Friend. What Part Of The Bible Tells You It Should Be Read As Symbolism And Metaphor Are? If Nowhere, What GivesYou That Right?? This Is Not Literature And Stories. This Is The Bible. Gods Infallible Word.
 
stammerman80 said:
The Only Pity I Have Is For Your Soul Friend. What Part Of The Bible Tells You It Should Be Read As Symbolism And Metaphor Are? If Nowhere, What GivesYou That Right?? This Is Not Literature And Stories. This Is The Bible. Gods Infallible Word.
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Didn't Jesus, God on earth speak symbolically or do you believe he was actually a real lamb? Were the parables recounting of actual events?? If Jesus, who is one in the same with the father spoke symbolically and metaphorically to properly teach mankind, why is it God cannot or did not do the same thing? Don't worry about my soul brother....it is in good hands with Jesus.
 
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Bamalaw92 said:
Didn't Jesus, God on earth speak symbolically or do you believe he was actually a real lamb? Were the parables recounting of actual events?? If Jesus, who is one in the same with the father spoke symbolically and metaphorically to properly teach mankind, why is it God cannot or did not do the same thing? Don't worry about my soul brother....it is in good hands with Jesus.
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Bl is right. There are clearly metaphors in the bible. Jesus used them all the time. That fact doesnt mean the bible has any inaccuracies at all. In fact Gods word is inerrant. The two, metaphors and inerrancy are not not mutually exclusive.
 
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Stammerman makes me think of the kid in sunday school who would always try to play "stump the minister" by asking stuff like whether God could make a rock so big that He couldn't lift it. Real cute.

I say, if there seem to be contradictions in scripture, it's because we see through a glass darkly and God does not see fit to explain all to our satisfaction. No need to navel-gaze about it.

Remember, the word was all written thousands of years ago, to be distributed to masses of people. If it had said, for example, Joshua had made the EARTH stood still, it would have been astronomically correct, but everyone back then would have been like, huh? We can know what was meant without getting all semantic about it.

Faith is when you just KNOW. It don't make you arrogant.
 
Piglet said:
Stammerman makes me think of the kid in sunday school who would always try to play "stump the minister" by asking stuff like whether God could make a rock so big that He couldn't lift it.
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ha that's good! and just in time for service tomorrow :biggrin2:
 
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