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B1GTide said:
I would rather have the worst progressive than the worst conservative, and by the time you get to the middle you still have conservatives who are happy to watch the poor starve in the streets.
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Again where are you starting and stopping the definitions of both?

For example: Trumpers are not conservatives and many far left Bernie fans are not true progressives.
 
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DzynKingRTR said:
That is definitely not true at all. Politics and college football have a lot in common in that there are good ones and bad ones and for some reason the bad ones are the loudest ones.
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Conservatives - even the "good ones" support building a wall, support policies which do not provide medical coverage for the poor, support policies which would allow the poor to become homeless and starve - the list goes on and on. And if you support any of those things, you are not a good human being. It is that simple.
 
81usaf92 said:
Again where are you starting and stopping the definitions of both?

For example: Trumpers are not conservatives and many far left Bernie fans are not true progressives.
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Trumpers in general are idiots and bernie boys in general are socialists. Neither falls in my definition of either category. But someone could be a trumper and a conservative who has lost his way. And someone could be a berni boy and a progressive who has lost his way.
 
B1GTide said:
Trumpers in general are idiots and bernie boys in general are socialists. Neither falls in my definition of either category. But someone could be a trumper and a conservative who has lost his way. And someone could be a berni boy and a progressive who has lost his way.
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Okay thanks for clarifying. Because my issue was that some of the "regressive left" that identifies as progressive are just as bad and sometimes worse than the average Trumper.
 
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B1GTide said:
Conservatives - even the "good ones" support building a wall, support policies which do not provide medical coverage for the poor, support policies which would allow the poor to become homeless and starve - the list goes on and on. And if you support any of those things, you are not a good human being. It is that simple.
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Actually it is not that simple. Some are just misinformed and misguided.
 
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Im_on_dsp said:
It's an uncomfortable truth. I can understand why you want to distance yourself from it. I also understand we live in a free country ruled by democracy and if the law of the land says abortions are legal then they are legal. That doesn't make it right. Anyone who supports abortion for any other reason than to save the life of a mother has no moral high ground to stand on.
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I understand this opinion and used to share it. Now, I just cannot say one side is always right and one is always wrong.

Years ago, someone very close to me had a teenage pregnancy with a guy who obviously had no future. This was back in the days when people "had to get married." I don't know how old you are but the older among us will understand the phrase. Her parents and she elected to go to NYC and have an abortion performed. The young lady went on to get a masters degree in education, married, raised two children and educate them. The young man she would have married became a homeless drug addict. She would have never know the children she had or the husband she lived with and loved.

I recognize this is just one case. An abortion is solely the decision of the mother and those she wants to involve. As a means of birth control I'm against it because there are better ways. But the aforementioned young lady is not a murderer and to characterize her as such is grossly unfair.

Beyond this, I really don't want to get into a debate on abortion. Most people are absolutely immovable on the subject. I do my best to keep an open mind, but I cannot correlate the death of a fetus with the death of a child.

Apologies for being so far off topic. This has become the main political thread.
 
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B1GTide said:
Some of who?
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Both sides. They get told one thing and they only believe that one thing and don't realize there are different ways of looking at something. For one I have never understood why people think they got to be republican or democrat and you have to believe whatever they believe, no exceptions ever. If you take any exceptions you are immediately labeled "not a true ____"
 
B1GTide said:
Conservatives - even the "good ones" support building a wall, support policies which do not provide medical coverage for the poor, support policies which would allow the poor to become homeless and starve - the list goes on and on. And if you support any of those things, you are not a good human being. It is that simple.
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B1GTide said:
Conservatives - even the "good ones" support building a wall, support policies which do not provide medical coverage for the poor, support policies which would allow the poor to become homeless and starve - the list goes on and on. And if you support any of those things, you are not a good human being. It is that simple.
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I'm not getting in this other than to say that most of the people I know that call themselves conservatives do support limits on new people coming to America unless they go through a process, most do want medical access for the poor and do not want them homeless and ALL of them oppose people who have their hands out and try to take advantage of the government/social systems whether at the national or state level. Most of them are gospel centered Christians. I fit into all of these and am independent when it comes to politics and did not, will not support trump but many of the conservatives I know do support him and will vote for him. However, i don't think that makes them a bad human being. Sometime people support things they would not ordinarily support because of fear of what the other party brings to the table. I don't support any politician that supports abortion as a convenience. Guess that makes me a bad person and agree that this is not the place for abortion discussion. Much respect for your posts and opinion!
 
PacadermaTideUs said:
Intermittent social distancing through 2022?

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Will never happen. Social distancing = no sports. You can't have sports and claim to have social distancing, last time I checked, stadium seats weren't at least 6 feet apart. Things like little league, high school sports, peewee football, etc, can't work with social distancing. People are not going to go without there high school sports, little league and all that. This country will never shut sports down for multiple years. Shoot, people are already pushing to have college football like normal and we are still in the middle of this fight. You can't claim to have social distancing if you are still going to your kid's little league game.
 
CrimsonForce said:
Conservatives are better human beings than progressives. That's just the way it is.🤷‍♂️
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I was raised a conservative. I use to think that the GOP left conservatives. I have since realized that conservatism left conservatives.

No real conservative would tell another person how to worship or what is morally right. True conservatives understand that this is a personal thing, and should never be forced on another human being.

Conservatism in America is authoritarianism.
 
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