Hot enough for you?

[Chukker Veteran]

We are in the first few days of summer & seeing record heat. Crops are looking bad all over the country. Anybody trying to keep yard plants alive has noticed how much more watering must be done. Snow is a distant childhood memory although I'm still living in the same place. Hurricanes are stronger, droughts are longer, wildfires consume entire communities.

Here's an idea, how about we continue to ignore the problem and ridicule the idea of global warming. Afterall, the best quack scientists the energy companies can buy say the problem isn't real.

Climatecrisis.net offers a different approach to our situation.

 

[BamaNation]

the context in which you situate this post reminds me of good ole Albert Gore statements when he spoke of global warming on the coldest day in NYC (i believe it was NYC). My question is that on very cold days should we not then reverse our global warming rhetoric to global cooling rhetoric?

and to answer your post subject, yes, yesterday's 101 here in atlanta (at least at my house) was plenty warm for me

 

[Bamaro]

Chucker, check this thread out:
http://tidefans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42723
Looks like you posted yours while I was posting mine

 

[ValuJet]

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[Chukker Veteran]

Bamanation, It's funny you would mention Gore talking about global warming on that cold day in New York. Folks got plenty of mileage poking fun at the idea of Gore warning about global warming on such a cold day. If we can mock a problem enough, it can be ignored.

If you think this summer is hot, get ready for what's headed our way.

Gore recently said something to the effect that people who don't believe in global warming hang out with folks that think the earth is flat, and they party with folks who think the moon landing was filmed in Arizona.

(Ridicule can be a two way street.)

 

[ValuJet]

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[BamaNation]

Bamanation, It's funny you would mention Gore talking about global warming on that cold day in New York. Folks got plenty of mileage poking fun at the idea of Gore warning about global warming on such a cold day. If we can mock a problem enough, it can be ignored.

If you think this summer is hot, get ready for what's headed our way.

Gore recently said something to the effect that people who don't believe in global warming hang out with folks that think the earth is flat, and they party with folks who think the moon landing was filmed in Arizona.

(Ridicule can be a two way street.)

Don't take my mocking of Al Gore so personally. Gore can be so effectively mocked on just about any subject b/c of the manner in which he tries to make his points in a "I'm-more-intelligent-than-thou" manner. You see me make the same type of criticisms of extreme righties Roy Moore, Pat Robertson, etc. b/c of the manner in which they take themselves so seriously and hold themselves up to be more intelligent or knowledgeable or holy than the common man.

I just find it interesting that on hot days, we hear more about global warming as if that justifies all the wacky theories. I'm really trying to say "IT'S SUMMER IN THE SOUTH - IT'S GONNA BE HOT!" and that is no more an indicator of global warming than a really cold day is any indicator of global cooling.

The problem with most global warming theorists is that they offer no practical solutions for their crisis, only criticism, rhetoric, talking points, and political propoganda.

Also one difference btwn me and Al Gore is that he DID say what he said on a record cold day and I don't hang out with flat-worlders, phantom moon-landers, or alien-snatchees

 

[92tide]

If we can mock a problem enough, it can be ignored.

Chukker,

I think this sums up the right's approach very well

 

[Chukker Veteran]

Bottom line: I think even the most avid ridiculers of global warming understand the Earth is heating up, but have convinced themselves it is a natural shift that is unavoidable.
What a gamble they are making for everybody. The stakes could hardly be any higher.

 

[92tide]

and to answer your post subject, yes, yesterday's 101 here in atlanta (at least at my house) was plenty warm for me

it was flat out hot yesterday in the ATL, i've had to walk to the other side of the Ga Tech campus on both of the last two days and it takes an hour to cool back down.

the good thing is with atlanta being as hot as it has been already this summer, my heat training for my running is coming along well.


my dog is not very happy though

 

[ValuJet]

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[92tide]

hey now,

i've never mocked rove for shooting his friend in the face with a shotgun

although i would like to take his pasty pudgy self out on one of my "heat acclimation" training runs through the woods.

 

[Chukker Veteran]

Don't take my mocking of Al Gore so personally. Gore can be so effectively mocked on just about any subject b/c of the manner in which he tries to make his points in a "I'm-more-intelligent-than-thou" manner. You see me make the same type of criticisms of extreme righties Roy Moore, Pat Robertson, etc. b/c of the manner in which they take themselves so seriously and hold themselves up to be more intelligent or knowledgeable or holy than the common man.

Also one difference btwn me and Al Gore is that he DID say what he said on a record cold day and I don't hang out with flat-worlders, phantom moon-landers, or alien-snatchees

Nothing personal in your mocking Gore. I've thought the same thing you've pointed out. It seems like he could get a speech coach to teach him how to talk to people instead of down to them. His "I know better than you" attitude hurts his cause regardless of how valid it is.
Maybe he should follow bush's lead and dumb down what he says.

 

[Bodhisattva]

I'm not advocating this article, but while we're waiting for football season to get here this might help pass the time (and stir the pot).

Why do liberals fear global warming more than conservatives do?

Six possible explanations:

--The Left is prone to hysteria.

-- The Left believes that if The New York Times and other liberal news sources report something, it is true. If the cover of Time magazine says, "Global Warming: Be Worried, Very Worried," liberals get worried, very worried, about global warming. ..... It is noteworthy that liberals, one of whose mottos is "question authority," so rarely question the authority of the mainstream media.

-- The Left believes in experts. ..... It now means two additional things: One is that non-experts should defer to experts not only on matters of knowledge, but on matters of policy, as well. The second is that experts possess greater wisdom about life, not merely greater knowledge in their area of expertise.

-- People who don't confront the greatest evils will confront far lesser ones.

-- The Left is far more likely to revere, even worship, nature.

-- Leftists tend to fear dying more.

Dennis Prager

 

[It's On A Slab]

I'm not advocating this article, but while we're waiting for football season to get here this might help pass the time (and stir the pot).

Why do liberals fear global warming more than conservatives do?

Six possible explanations:



Dennis Prager

Conversely, the wingers spent the 1980s and 1990s dismissing global warming as a non-occurence. According to them, the Earth was not getting warmer.

Now that many of them have admitted as much, they've taken the new tactic of saying, "It's a natural occurence."

--The Left is prone to hysteria.

Oh, my goodness. I'm sure the Right ne'er dwells in this arena.

-- The Left believes in experts. ..... It now means two additional things: One is that non-experts should defer to experts not only on matters of knowledge, but on matters of policy, as well. The second is that experts possess greater wisdom about life, not merely greater knowledge in their area of expertise.

Well, the Flat Earth Society sure makes a lot of sense. And they don't have any of those pointy-headed intellectuals running their outfit.

I'll also consult Pat Robertson about meteorology.

-- People who don't confront the greatest evils will confront far lesser ones.

I agree. But probably not from the standpoint that you intended.

-- The Left is far more likely to revere, even worship, nature.

I see nothing base about a healthy reverence for nature.

-- Leftists tend to fear dying more.

I'll need more proof than was in this article: "The number of Iraqis and others Saddam Hussein murdered troubles the Left considerably less than even the remote possibility than they may one day die of global warming (or secondhand smoke)."

This is a clear case of a straw man.

 

[Bodhisattva]

Pot stirred.:biggrin2:

 

[Mamacalled]

The last three years here in the south have been milder than normal. Now it is coming back into the norm and people are freaking out. Nobody was making an issue out of the summer being cooler than usual.
As an avid skiier, I watch the snow reports very closely, even when I am not skiing (I don't know why because it just makes me miserable to see so much snow and know that I am not enjoying it). Last year, Lake Tahoe received a record snowstorm in January that had even closed the schools there. That had never happened before. They received 21 feet of snow in 17 days. This year, the Tahoe basin was hit with over 800 inches of snow! in my 22 years of skiing Tahoe, never have they hit 800 inches during the ski season. Typical snowfall is just over 500 inches in a season. Nobody was out there saying how the weather was so much colder there.
Now, if any of you have read Gore's book "Earth in the Balance" which he wrote around twenty years ago, you would know that according to him then, the Earth would have already been finshed by now due to Global Warming. Why should I believe him now when he has already proven that he didn't know what the hell he was talking about then?

 

[Bodhisattva]

To me there is a series of disconnects.

No one can acurately predict the weather tomorrow, and weather has only been recorded relatively recently in human history. We're supposed to know what the weather was 2000 years ago and a hundred years from now down to the tenth of a degree? Please.

When I was a kid, not that long ago, human activity was supposed to bring on the next ice age. Now it's global warming. We've had periods of warming and cooling throughout earth's history. So, obviously the earth's temperature varies regardless of human activity.

One can draw all sorts of conclusions based on the timeframe one looks at with weather patterns. Hell, last night in the DC area we had all sorts of rain and thunder. Using the logic of some these doomweavers I guess I should have started building a big boat and collecting animals in pairs.

And if Gore or whoever is still pushing the Kyoto Accords he is either a liar or an idiot. I've studied them, and there is no way that is a solution.

 

[Queasy1]

And if Gore or whoever is still pushing the Kyoto Accords he is either a liar or an idiot. I've studied them, and there is no way that is a solution.

What's funny (other than Clinton/Gore not signing the Kyoto Accords while in office and bashing Bush for doing the same) is that the European countries can't even get close to meeting the regulations set forth by the Accords.

 

[Bodhisattva]

What's funny (other than Clinton/Gore not signing the Kyoto Accords while in office and bashing Bush for doing the same) is that the European countries can't even get close to meeting the regulations set forth by the Accords.

Politicians are part of the "do as I say, not as I do crowd." Clinton signed NAFTA and welfare reform, both Republican initiatives and good pieces of legislation. However, to hear Clinton talk now you'd think he was opposed to both. So, either Clinton was a coward and signed the bills for political reasons. Or, he's a liar and is trusting on the history-challenged American public to get away with it.