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popechild said:
Why don't you go ahead and list which passes over the middle he overthrew that almost killed his receivers. I challenge you to come up with three.
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Over the middle wasn't in the quote so ... -1 for you.

I'll start it off...Brown catch on near the vistor sidelines in first half. Pass was a rainbow.
 
the first pass that was caught out of bounds in the endzone by KB was a rainbow(not the play that was reviewed). there was not a defender within 20 yards of him.

we are not saying that he isnt going to be a great qb, he just has work to do. and there is no reason to mislead those fans that were not able to watch the game yesterday.
 
brianhenderson said:
these responses are almost as annoying has the big hawaiian blowing into the seashell that i had to sit beside yesterday.

the stats look good. to say that alot of his passes were NOT to high in dangerous places is crazy

his floaters will be INTs against conference secondaries

the good stats are because the WRs made great adjustments on the ball.

his passes to the TEs were crisp and on target. i will give him that

im not here to bash just here to state the facts and im not a fly by night fan or student of the game
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With 43 post you must be a barner or your girlfriend left you for JPW. Looks like you have a bone to pick with JPW and looking to see whos willing to jump onboard. The only annoying post on these boards are your criticism of JPW! The fact is he had a great first start!
 
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BAMAHD said:
With 43 post you must be a barner or your girlfriend left you for JPW. Looks like you have a bone to pick with JPW and looking to see whos willing to jump onboard. The only annoying post on these boards are your criticism of JPW! The fact is he had a great first start!
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:rolleyes:
 
The same people that are ripping JPW will be singing his praises before long. :)

It was his first start and first significant playing time folks. He will make more mistakes, but I am telling you (I know there are others here who agree with me), JPW is going to be an outstanding QB before he is done at Bama. He will put his stamp on the Alabama record books before he is done. Count on it.

For his first start, he played very well. Also, he had 0 interceptions. Not bad for a first start in division 1 football in front of 92,138 fans.
 
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I'll give you an 'out' here.....So let me get this straight bh, you were unhappy, overall,with the way Wilson played yesterday?
 
tidefanblake said:
I'll give you an 'out' here.....So let me get this straight bh, you were unhappy, overall,with the way Wilson played yesterday?
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There's no way anyone could be "unhappy" with JPW's first performance. For his first start he did great. He's got some stuff to work on but goodness it was his first start. He did put too much air on several of his throws. But that is nothing that can't be corrected. Experience and practice will cure that. He did a great job.
 
Here is the one stat that matters 1 win 0 losses. I think this is the same old thing we always do playing and coaching down to our opponents. JPW will grow into great QB in a very short time. Did anyone notice his pocket awareness and that he actually looked off recievers. Be patience and RTR!!!
 
I can agree that several of JPW's passes were either behind, above, or behind and above their targets. Not nearly a majority, but several do come to mind off the top of my head. Nick walker had to jump for one, Keith Brown jumped for about 3 or 4, with one thrown well behind him and above him (although he somehow came down with it), I recall a pass to Caddell that was above him...

But I also recall a lot that were right on the money, one to Oakley, one to Caddell, several to Brown, the other two TE passes, etc.

I wasn't thrilled with the air under the long balls, but the shorter range ones that were a little high can easily be corrected or even attributed to just nerves. I saw enough 'good' or 'great' passes to know that JPW is very capable and has a lot of potential.
 
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I can agree that several of JPW's passes were either behind, above, or behind and above their targets. Not nearly a majority, but several do come to mind off the top of my head. Nick walker had to jump for one, Keith Brown jumped for about 3 or 4, with one thrown well behind him and above him (although he somehow came down with it), I recall a pass to Caddell that was above him...

But I also recall a lot that were right on the money, one to Oakley, one to Caddell, several to Brown, the other two TE passes, etc.

I wasn't thrilled with the air under the long balls, but the shorter range ones that were a little high can easily be corrected or even attributed to just nerves. I saw enough 'good' or 'great' passes to know that JPW is very capable and has a lot of potential.
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Oh yeah. The positives outweighed the negatives by a landslide.
 
tidefan23 said:
Over the middle wasn't in the quote so ... -1 for you.
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Really?
brianhenderson said:
if he doesnt bring them down and the receivers continue to have to fully extend in the middle of the field we will be playing walk ons as starters before the second half of the season
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brianhenderson said:
cheif im not talking underthrows...im talking overthrows over the middle...a head-hunting safetys best friend.

take off your crimson glasses
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-2 for you Tidefan23.

brianhenderson said:
the stats look good. to say that alot of his passes were NOT to high in dangerous places is crazy
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brianhenderson said:
did you watch the game?

there where multiple passes the KB that fit the scenerio...the one that sticks in my mind is the one which he down head first after bring mauled by two defenders.

is your name Ross?

your to defensive to think clearly
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You obviously claim to not be defensive about this yourself, so you'll be open to changing your mind if the facts prove otherwise, right?

You'll be happy to know then that I just rewatched the entire game. There were exactly TWO throws that anyone could conceivably consider overthrows/dangerous/high/anything of that sort. Both were in the same drive at the end of the third quarter. One to KB and one to Walker. Both were completions. The pass to walker was high because he was throwing over a linebacker.

Hopefully you can now rest assured that you have nothing to worry about. My guess is that either:

1) You'll ignore this thread now.
or...
2) You'll claim there really were more, but unfortunately you can't point them out since you don't have a tape, and claim that for some reason I'm lying.
or...
3) You'll say that I'm not counting throws that you would've counted. Wrong - there were no other high throws or overthrows period. At all. Over the middle or on the sidelines. Two. Total.

So which is it going to be? 'Cause I'd say that two high throws, both completions, one that could be considered necessary to get the ball over the linebacker, is nothing to worry about.
 
brianhenderson said:
these responses are almost as annoying has the big hawaiian blowing into the seashell that i had to sit beside yesterday.

the stats look good. to say that alot of his passes were NOT to high in dangerous places is crazy

his floaters will be INTs against conference secondaries

the good stats are because the WRs made great adjustments on the ball.

his passes to the TEs were crisp and on target. i will give him that

im not here to bash just here to state the facts and im not a fly by night fan or student of the game
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It seems to me that alot of times he floats the ball purposefully in order to put it out of the defender's hands and into the hands of the receiver behind him. So far, I haven't seen him float the ball over the middle. I've only seen him float the ball over the defenders on deep patterns. He reminds me alot of the way Danny Weurfel (?) threw the ball when he played for Florida in the mid 90's. He didn't have a very strong arm, just tremendous accuracy and touch.
 
I was watching the replay today and on the long pass to KB that went down to around the 8 yard line, JPW turned his head away and you could tell by the way he reacted he knew he had under thrown the ball. For his first start, I think he played very well, good pocket presence and good decisions with the ball. Playing in a game is different than practice, even scrimmage. I think you will see continuous improvement from him.

RTR
 
it always amazes me how sensitive people are...

on this board. someone comes on here and states their "OPINION". For that they receive mutilple snide and cut throat remarks. Grow up people, brianhenderson stated his opinion...try to understand instead of being übersensitive. for what its worth, i noted all the same things bh saw BUT I also saw calm under pressure, some oustanding passes and better touch than Brodie. Just look at Caddell, he's catching passes this year...i fully believe that last year Brodie was throwing WAY too hard for some of the receivers on the team....OH CRAP, I said something derogatory towards Brodie...i guess i'll get a severe tongue lashing now!! :rolleyes:
 
Let's not forget, he's a sophomore making his first start. That's saying a mouthful, folks. I for one like that he'll throw it up sometimes because DJ and now KB have proven that they can make a tremendous play on the ball. However, he can't always do that and he does need to correct that just a little bit. It'll come. He's got 3 years to perfect his craft.
 
JP will improve. Mark it down. Our receivers will look better than in the past.

JP throws a more catchable ball than Brodie. I can already see that. He throws the ball with a trajectory that allows the receiver time to make an adjustment and make a catch. Now, this will obviously increase the chance of an interception as well. But I remember many times that Brodie threw the ball on such a flat trajectory with such velocity that it was difficult for the receiver to make an adjustment and comeback to the ball and make the catch. Likewise, it was also virtually impossible for him to be intercepted by the defense.

However, I will take this risk because the averages say that will have a more consistent and opportunistic passing offense. I am already seeing that passing to the RBs out of the backfield will be a plus. We have not done that much in the past.
 
brianhenderson said:
not overall, he needs to work on the trajectory of his passes....and i dont want an out
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Brian,
I'm interested to hear your reaction to my previous post. Does the fact that there were only two high balls thrown the entire game, both completions and one to get over a linebacker, change your opinion at all? Perhaps you're remembering something that didn't really happen?
 
There aren't too many people in college or the NFL that have a gun as powerful as Brodie. I remember back years ago when the Dallas Cowboys had a QB situation between Craig Morton and Roger Staubach. They asked Bob Hayes which had the strongest arm and he said it would be had to decide. He said Morton broke two of his ribs and Staubach broke his hand. I wouldn't be surprised to know that Brodie has an arm capable of inflicting this kind of damage :)
 
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