I'm an aTm aggie: Our up tempo no huddle throw it around offense...

[CrimsonProf]

Spencer Hall of EDSBS had a serious post a while back about who would finally take down Saban. By Saban he meant a style of football embodied by CNS, not just CNS himself. Hall posited that Holgorsen's air-raid would eventually do it, but it just won't work in college. The reason West Coast offenses work in the NFL (including the Patriots' up-tempo version) is due to the equal nature of each roster.

 

[JBama_in_PCOLA]

With an athletic defense like Bama and LSU's you can it up. Those offenses have been figured out. Auburn's offense was really make it up as you go, look at them now. If our front three gets a push and we get you in obvious downs like we do consistently then it doesn't work at all.

 

[257WBY]

HSV, it may not work, but you just listed three NC teams from the SEC who ran it.

 

[cuda.1973]

I think by the time you get around to facing our team, you will be wondering "What were we thinking when we switched conferences?"

Welcome, anyway!

Seriously, your guys struggled a lot, in the second half, all of last year. Maybe a new coach, and new attitude, can correct that. But, you saw what Arky can do, and they are a step below us and LSU. MSU and Ole Sis might be more than you bargained for, but could be winnable, depending on where the game is played.

That leaves one other team, and no one really cares about them.

 

[Catfish]

Actually, his name is Leslie.

Of course it is. :biggrin:

 

[BamaFlum]

HSV, it may not work, but you just listed three NC teams from the SEC who ran it.

I believe he said work consistently. With those offenses, usually you have to have an MVP type QB and great luck with injuries. What happened to the offenses when Superman and Latopman left?

 

[uafan4life]

HSV, it may not work, but you just listed three NC teams from the SEC who ran it.

Umm, what three teams?

I'm assuming you're talking about Florida and the barn? Who was the third?

I would be inclined to agree with the second one since it was a hurry-up offense. However, they did have a ton of rushing yards and pretty decent time of possession so it wasn't a true high-flying, pass-happy offense like what Leach ran at Texas Tech. Even so, when you take away that once-in-a-generation talent at QB their offense was purely mediocre.

And Florida is just wrong. Meyer started out at Florida running his true spread, hurry-up offense. He got obliterated by several teams, including Bama. In year 2 he started drastically changing his offense, especially the pace.

And the offense Sumlin runs is almost nothing like either of those offenses. It is much, much closer to what Leach ran at Tech.

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[TIDE-HSV]

HSV, it may not work, but you just listed three NC teams from the SEC who ran it.

Um, did you notice the qualifiers at all?

 

[NBF_Bama_Cavalry]

That type of gimmicky offense might work against the weaker SEC teams, but you won't win many games against the top 1/3 of the league by getting into a track meet.

First of all, the more plays your offense runs, the more opportunities elite defenses like Alabama and LSU have to make plays. There are also more opportunites to put punishing hits on your offensive players. If you've watched Alabama defenses since Nick Saban arrived you'll know that they LOVE to hit people.

Second, if your offense scores quickly, teams like Alabama, LSU, Georgia, and others will still play ball control and your defense will suffer. You might score in a minute and a half, but your defense will be on the field for 6 or 7 minute drives and then only get a minute and a half break before they do it again. By midway through the 3rd quarter your defense will be sucking wind and running out of gas. Throw in a few 3 and outs and your defense is as effective as a screen door on a submarine.

If aTm runs that type of offense, SEC defenses will score points and that'll put even more of a burden on your defense.

Run it if you dare....SEC defenses will be licking their chops. :biggrin:

 

[257WBY]

4life, Florida won twice.

 

[bamaslammer]

To be fair to our new Friends at A&M we have had trouble with passing teams before, but it always involved a mobile quarterback who could buy time with his feet and was very accurate when on the run. Even with guys like that when our defense is on Q it's a hopeless cause, but if our defense is young and more mistake prone it could result in trouble.

 

[257WBY]

What would happen if a team like LSU or Alabama ran it? With the depth and talent on defense, I would think it could be a whole new ball game. Alabama spread it out a bit in the NCS and things went well. It is assumed that all you do is pass, but a lot of running lanes open up when defenders are stretched across the field.

 

[RollTide1224]

Um, did you notice the qualifiers at all?

I think his point is that almost any team in the country would be happy with the results that Florida (and most likely Auburn) got using the spread. Whether it works consistently or not who cares when you have two crystal footballs as a result. Most teams in the country are probably ok with having a fun offense that if you catch lightning in a bottle can win the national championship.

 

[45longcolt]

I believe that if the offense substitutes then you have to give the defense time to substitute also.
Is that a correct statement or not???

 

[257WBY]

45, you are correct. The idea is not to substitute on O. You send a WR on a go. The next play, you pick on the DB who covered the go since his tongue is hanging out.

 

[BamaFossil]

Hello SEC_Aggie and welcome! I'm glad aTm is in the SEC and look forward to our annual games.

So aTm will be an up-tempo throw-it-around team??! Lessee... aTm will have a new QB playing against teams he hasn't seen before. He'll be throwing to WRs who are pedestrian at best, if the aTm spring game is any indicator. New head coach and new assistants. A whole slate of new opponents whose philosophy of football is different than the Big-12. A D-line that is average at best and lacks depth. What could possibly go wrong??!

Up-tempo maybe... but not Air Raid. I think Sumlin is a very good coach. His team's strengths are the O-line - they should be pretty good if they can stay healthy - and his RBs. So he's going to use his talented RBs primarily as blockers? He may go up-tempo, but he'll try to be around 60-40 running and passing plays. Only when he runs up against a defense that's stuffing the run will he shift more heavily to a passing attack.

Sumlin's no dummy. He sees the same 3-and-out problems that posters on this thread are referencing. His defense can NOT stay on the field for 40 minutes each game and be effective. I predict Sumlin will play a much more conservative ball-control style of football than the vast majority of aTm fans expect.

Long term, aTm has unlimited potential in the SEC. For the past decade or so, aTm has been undermined by poor coaching and poor conditioning. The next decade is a clean slate.

 

[BEATtutorsee]

That type of offense may have success against the middle or bottom tier of the SEC (depending on how good your personnel is) but it won't be very effective against the top teams in the league. Too much athleticism and speed on the top defenses in the SEC for offenses like that to have consistent success. If I were Sumlin and aTm I would start installing a pro style offense and begin to heavily recruit for it as soon as possible.

 

[bamaslaw]

That type of gimmicky offense might work against the weaker SEC teams, but you won't win many games against the top 1/3 of the league by getting into a track meet.

Just playing devil's advocate here, but what offense would TAMU run that you would say would win many games against the top 1/3? Talent is still the most important thing, scheme is secondary...

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I think his point is that almost any team in the country would be happy with the results that Florida (and most likely Auburn) got using the spread. Whether it works consistently or not who cares when you have two crystal footballs as a result. Most teams in the country are probably ok with having a fun offense that if you catch lightning in a bottle can win the national championship.

My point was that both won with a once-in-a-generation QB. When Meyer lost that QB, his butt quit and he left. When Malzahn lost that QB, he ran. I swear, I don't understand the infatuation with that offense. It will only take you so far - unless you have a Tebow or a Cam. Otherwise, you're perpetually stuck at the 9-10 game level (if you're lucky). I see nothing in Meyer's brief success with Tebow or Malzahn's with Cam to inspire me to predict great things for another team running a similar offense in the SEC. I predicted that the success would be short-lived and would flame out when the supermen QBs left. I do know one thing for sure and that's anyone waiting for CNS to run it, as a base offense, better not hold his breath...

 

[TideEngineer08]

Spencer Hall of EDSBS had a serious post a while back about who would finally take down Saban. By Saban he meant a style of football embodied by CNS, not just CNS himself. Hall posited that Holgorsen's air-raid would eventually do it, but it just won't work in college. The reason West Coast offenses work in the NFL (including the Patriots' up-tempo version) is due to the equal nature of each roster.

As well as the fact that contact on a QB or WR is all but forbidden in the NFL. It literally makes financial sense to pass all the time and run sparingly.