Question: Is AU's honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?/ Protest on the Plains

[BamaNation]

enquiring minds want to know. If I'm an aubie, I'm extremely upset that i have to pay 5.1 MILLION TO A COACH WHO JUST QUIT ON ME!

I'm sure there's a valid explanation, right? I guarantee you it isn't just for being a good citizen.

These are questions that MUST be aske

 

[NYBamaFan]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

LOL - that is, if he really quit. IMO, the payment of the buyout is proof that he was fired, but the Aubies might not be seeing things clearly right now (are they ever?)...

 

[Brady]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

From everything I have heard in the media the impression is that he was fired. Although not always the case (i.e. Shula) it is customary to allow the coach to announce he has resigned (i.e. Croom, Bowden, Fulmer).

It's rare that it is reported that a coach is fired, kind of like CEOs.

 

[jthomas666]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

enquiring minds want to know. If I'm an aubie, I'm extremely upset that i have to pay 5.1 MILLION TO A COACH WHO JUST QUIT ON ME!

I'm sure there's a valid explanation, right? I guarantee you it isn't just for being a good citizen.

These are questions that MUST be aske

That is the Auburn Tradition. If they were worried about what Franklin might sau, imagine how worried Auburn is about what Tubbs might say...

 

[tidefan23]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

Does anyone believe that he wasn't fired? I guess so.

Hush money? If the Barn cheated, then the Feds should give them some bailout money because that would be the worse cheating ever. Auburn has no players, no talent, nothing. Tubbs was fired because of that, and the buyout is in his contract. End of story.

 

[Leeroy]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

Tuberville didn't quit. He was fired, and by the same man who's fired the others. The "Resigned" moniker is for appearances only. Buyouts and hush money are one and the same at Auburn.





Roll Tide

 

[tuck]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

Auburn trustee Paul Spina said Tuberville and Auburn officials had reached an agreement for him to remain as head coach on Monday, but that by Wednesday it was Tuberville who had changed his mind.

"He met with (Athletics Director) Jay Jacobs on Monday and said he (Tuberville) wanted to start over and fix it, and they talked about who he could go after for assistant coaches," Spina said. "Then he went home (Tuesday), and called Jay and said, `Let's have lunch.' They weren't supposed to meet until after lunch.

"But at lunch, Tommy said he'd talked with (his wife) Suzanne and she wanted him to get out of the business. And Tommy said, `If Auburn will take care of me, that's what I'd like to do.'"

Spina said it was at that point that Jacobs and Auburn President Jay Gogue agreed to work out a satisfactory resignation package for Tuberville.

"These are Tommy Tuberville's terms," said Terry Henley, a former Auburn running back. "His and his family's terms. He wants to stay in Auburn.

"I thank Tommy for what he's done at Auburn. ... With that, I think maybe Tommy had lost a little energy. Maybe some of the people got complacent a little bit. We'd lost our edge."

According to Ray Melick it was Tubbs decision. Don't really know if that is true, but I could understand him not wanting to be the coach at Auburn anymore.

I think Ensminger's wife said it best, "Nobody in that state will ever beat Saban."

Ears could see the future. It wasn't a very good one.

 

[NYBamaFan]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

According to Ray Melick it was Tubbs decision...

They generally are. You tell the person, do you want to work out a resignation package or be fired for cause (which might or might not include as impressive a package)?

 

[rolltidescott]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

They generally are. You tell the person, do you want to work out a resignation package or be fired for cause (which might or might not include as impressive a package)?

Right. IMO, the fact that he is getting the buyout tells me he was forced out.

 

[wastedmason]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

According to Ray Melick it was Tubbs decision. Don't really know if that is true, but I could understand him not wanting to be the coach at Auburn anymore.

I think Ensminger's wife said it best, "Nobody in that state will ever beat Saban."

Ears could see the future. It wasn't a very good one.

I don't doubt that that's the way it went down yesterday. The thing is though the pressure that was put on Tubs to fire his buddies and turn the program around probably, after sleeping on it, was pretty much the same as being fired to him.

He just didn't have the guts or want to to have to get off his tail and actually do some hard work to get it done. I think he got lazy and complacent. He thought he could just delegate the real work out to his assistants and set back and reap the rewards and accolades without actually getting his hands dirty.

In other words he wasn't about to let anyone dictate to him what he was going to have to do in order to keep his job so he quit. But in reality he was fired when you get down to it.

He could refuse to do his job as it was laid out for him and make them fire him or he could give them the option to go ahead and pay him his buyout and save them the inevitable and another sorry season prolonging the agony.

It in actuality it is best for both parties involved. They both save face by saying he resigned on his own. But we all know better!

 

[Leeroy]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

Right. IMO, the fact that he is getting the buyout tells me he was forced out.

True. And that story doesn't add up when you take into account, the Coaches wives calling radio stations.




Roll Tide

 

[bayoutider]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

Coach at Auburn for $2.8M or take $5.1M and take a vacation? Wish I had that choice.

 

[BAMAHD]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

Jacobs is a puppet that is trying his best to keep aubie from getting raked over the coals by the media. Tubs got the two things he wanted, out and 5.1 mil.

 

[Im_on_dsp]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

If I'm an aubie, I'm extremely upset that i have to pay 5.1 MILLION TO A COACH WHO JUST QUIT ON ME!

Well, unless those same aubies put a few dollars in the collection plate when Bobby Lowder passed it around then THEY didn't pay anything and neither did Auburn University. All that money is coming out of the booster's pockets. You could always say that if they wouldn't have had to put money in Bobby's collection plate then they would have given that money to the university but that's not a guarantee.

What I am really questioning is the "quit" idea. I know Bobby Lowder pretty well (I worked for him for almost 10 years back in the 80's) and he can be extremely petty and small-minded. If he had wanted Tubby to stay and Tubby quit on him then there wouldn't have been any buyout - PERIOD.

 

[CapitalTider]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

I feel pretty confident that Tuberville was forced out in some manner, most likely that he did not want to continue coaching there under the conditions the AD laid out. I think the fact that the buy-out is being paid indicates that Auburn wanted him gone. The others have it right, it is a negotiated process but I'm not sure what Tuberville gave up to be allowed to resign instead of being fired. Maybe nothing, maybe Auburn is allowing him to say he resigned to try and protect their image.

I do have a couple of questions: (1) I had always heard the buy-out was $6 million, now this says $5.1 million. Which is it? Was the $900K difference a negotiating point? (2) What is the staying in Auburn stuff about? Do boosters or the school own the house Tuberville lives in? I think they owned Terry Bowden's house and that was a deal he worked out after being fired/resigning. It's probably just me, but why on earth would they want to stay in Auburn? Especially after being forced out.

I don't think hush money is being paid. I've always thought that confidentiality agreements, agreements not to disparage were more about Lowder than the actual school. He doesn't want former coaches going around saying he's a poor man's Al Davis.

 

[BamaDMD]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

Jacobs is a puppet that is trying his best to keep aubie from getting raked over the coals by the media. Tubs got the two things he wanted, out and 5.1 mil.

I believe you hit it. Tubbs was ready to get out and didn't really have anymore cards to play to get his team past the Saban factor. Tony Franklin was it and that failed. He also wasn't going to do what they needed him to do (fire the BBQ boys, clean house, and bring in a new staff. IMO this was not as much out of loyalty and it was he knew by firing them was to bring the skeletons out of the closet for them all. You see this with Ensmingers wife backlashing after learning her hubby was out.

The university has to play it this way by "letting" him resign with the money because that already had egg on their face from the TF situation. They need this to be as clean as possible so they can attract a decent candidate.

 

[BamaSkins]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

How many ex-coaches, assistants, secretaries etc do they have on the patroll...I heard WJOX discussing this today and they guessed over 8 are still being paid by the barn...don't know if that's so but if it is that's a lot of hush money being paid out...

 

[TiderInTally]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

No offense intended, but this thread is rather silly. If Tubs had really "quit" (voluntarily), like RichRod for example, the Aubs would be screaming bloody murder (and/or suing him like WVU did RichRod) if he tried to still get paid. No, this is more along the lines of the Great Pumpkin's "resignation" from Obknoxiousville: a firing in all but name.

 

[RobK]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

I do have a couple of questions: (1) I had always heard the buy-out was $6 million, now this says $5.1 million. Which is it? Was the $900K difference a negotiating point? (2) What is the staying in Auburn stuff about? Do boosters or the school own the house Tuberville lives in? I think they owned Terry Bowden's house and that was a deal he worked out after being fired/resigning. It's probably just me, but why on earth would they want to stay in Auburn? Especially after being forced out.

The buyout (as it presently stands) became effective early this year and is pro-rated by the month, therefore it is reduced by $900K due to the time elapsed this year. It is indeed the "full buyout" per the terms of his contract.

I just have a hard time believing Jacobs when he says no Trustees were consulted and that he and the President decided to give Tubs the full buyout out of the goodness of their hearts. Letting the AD and President basically spend over $5 million that the school is not obligated to pay (if you believe their story) without formal trustee approval is a serous dereliction of fiduciary duties.

 

[Tide Tales]

Re: Is Auburn.s honoring of buyout money tantamount to 'hush money'?

The buyout (as it presently stands) became effective early this year and is pro-rated by the month, therefore it is reduced by $900K due to the time elapsed this year. It is indeed the "full buyout" per the terms of his contract.

I just have a hard time believing Jacobs when he says no Trustees were consulted and that he and the President decided to give Tubs the full buyout out of the goodness of their hearts. Letting the AD and President basically spend over $5 million that the school is not obligated to pay (if you believe their story) without formal trustee approval is a serous dereliction of fiduciary duties.

I'm in the "hard to believe" camp also.....