Issues in Education

[Huckleberry]

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This would be amusing if it weren't for the sad fact that there are people who will tell you that public schools really say things like that and that a significant number of morons will believe them.

 

[arthurdawg]

This would be amusing if it weren't for the sad fact that there are people who will tell you that public schools really say things like that and that a significant number of morons will believe them.

Checked with most precious daughter who is teaching in Charlotte, and she stated they do and say no such things are her school.

 

[92tide]

Checked with most precious daughter who is teaching in Charlotte, and she stated they do and say no such things are her school.

woke panic is a hell of a drug

 

[arthurdawg]

woke panic is a hell of a drug

WDS

 

[Cruloc]

One big reason we've got an issue in education now is technology. My kids all used IPad's for everything. Absolutely everything. And now everyone uses AI for everything, which is ruining critical thinking.

 

[Bodhisattva]

I'm glad that schools are not teaching that America is structurally racist, that socialism is favorable to capitalism, that racist "anti racist" garbage is not part of a lot of curricula, that boys should be allowed to take trophies from girls, that Tampon Tim was not a governor, etc. I'm glad that there are no anti-white and (especially) anti-Asian policies in education and the workplace. That (especially) my wife and I have not really experienced applied racism. And It is interesting that the same people on this board who championed "woke" causes, then denied the existence of "woke" are now back to claiming that "woke" is justice. I guess the retardation that we have witnessed the last several years didn't really happen. Good to know.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Education might be the thorniest issue around. There are so many intertwined problems, each with separate (and sometimes competing) solutions.

-- Helicopter parents demanding grade inflation.
-- Other parents not caring whether the kids go to school or what they might or might not learn, so long as they're somebody else's problem for 7 hours a day.
-- Teaching to the exam, not to learning.
-- Political dogma entering into teaching methods (phonics in reading is a great example).
-- Political dogma entering into subject matter.
-- Watering down rigorous subjects because the little darlins can't handle rigor.
-- Low teacher salaries mean more talented subject matter experts go elsewhere to make more money
-- Waste in administration -- NYC spends $46K per year per student and still turns out poor results. Other cities big and small are similar.
-- Lack of discipline in the home leading to behavior problems at school, up to and including physical violence against both other students and teachers / staff.
-- Legally-mandated individualized treatment -- time to take tests, instruction in a native language, learning plans, etc., etc., ad infinitum.
-- Teachers' unions controlling politicians and making it virtually impossible to terminate under-performing teachers.

This could go on for pages, but those with kids in public schools and/or who are teachers could do it better than I can.

I wish I had a solution to champion. But I don't. The only thing that comes to mind applies not only to schools, but to life in general: All involved parties (students, parents, teachers, administrators, politicians) need to use some common sense -- which is decidedly uncommon and getting rarer every day.

I'm at a loss to formulate a more specific recommendation. Does anybody have more specific suggestions?

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

-- Political dogma entering into teaching methods (phonics in reading is a great example).

I know this isn't your main point but what do you mean by this?

 

[Bodhisattva]

I know this isn't your main point but what do you mean by this?

Here's a summary:

The leftist policy that phonics is "colonizing" is absurd. I guess "social justice" means keeping everyone illiterate. I despise educators with political/social agendas. Do your damn job - educate the kids - or go do something else.

My wife and I started Lily on phonics lessons when she was a toddler. She was reading on her own in no time and developed a follow-on passion for books. She finishes books nearly at the same pace I do. As with anyone who enjoys reading, it greatly expands your knowledge base far beyond what it learned in the classroom. "Educators" who would discourage this should never darken a classroom or a government agency that sets education policy.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Here's a summary:

The leftist policy that phonics is "colonizing" is absurd. I guess "social justice" means keeping everyone illiterate. I despise educators with political/social agendas. Do your damn job - educate the kids - or go do something else.

My wife and I started Lily on phonics lessons when she was a toddler. She was reading on her own in no time and developed a follow-on passion for books. She finishes books nearly at the same pace I do. As with anyone who enjoys reading, it greatly expands your knowledge base far beyond what it learned in the classroom. "Educators" who would discourage this should never darken a classroom or a government agency that sets education policy.

I know about balanced literacy and such but wasn't fully aware of some of the political aspects apparently. It's actually kind of odd given many of those leading the charge on the "science of reading" are liberal leaning or at least come from more liberal institutions (though definitely not all). Louisa Moats is the main name that comes to mind.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

I know this isn't your main point but what do you mean by this?

In addition to the stupidity around phonics (which actually works, regardless of your skin color) , there’s an even greater absurdity in math.

There’s a not insubstantial school of thought that math is culturally discriminatory because it requires precisely right answers.

Apparently, since a lot of kids grow up in a culture where kinda-sorta close is good enough, they should be able to take that imprecision into their math class. And if you mark a wrong answer wrong, you’re a white colonialist.

I wish I were kidding.

Seattle Schools Propose To Teach That Math Education Is Racist—Will California Be Far Behind?

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[92tide]

Florida ranks last in reading, warns nationwide education report

The latest findings by researchers at Harvard and Stanford are based on 2024-25 state test results, combined with national assessment data, to pinpoint trends in learning.

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