Jim McElwain Terminated by Florida

[crimsonaudio]

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Mods might want to change the title....

I'm waiting for confirmation - as of now everyone is pointing back to football scoop posting 'insiders are reporting'...

I think he's gone, but at this point we're waiting for confirmation.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

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Urban had a BCS win before going to Florida. Granted it was against Pittsburgh.

Well, Urban DID look like he was going to be pretty good, but he was still an up and comer.

Spurrier's big accomplishment was winning an ACC title at Duke in 1989. Of course, we kind of have to toss some of that out given that Spurrier was an accomplished coach who had won a Heisman at the school that hired him. Without that credential, who knows if the Gators pick him?


I don't in ANY way disagree with CA here, though. I was one of the loudest screaming AGAINST Kirby Smart succeeding Saban precisely because I don't think a first head coaching job should be at an expected winning program in the SEC. Mullen coming to Miss St or Franklin to Vandy made perfect sense - those are not elite (or even top 1/2 of the SEC) jobs with high expectations. Mark Richt, for all he gets ripped, is one of the RARE exceptions who did well in his first job in the SEC.......he just overstayed his welcome and never totally got the job done.

Right now Kirby looks very good but let's see him sustain it over a long period of time. His record in year two suggests he's going to be good but his record in year four is far more important long-term.


The late Emory Bellard put the best Miss St team, maybe in history, on the field in 1980, his second year. He had two good years, but he crumbled thereafter and had four straight losing seasons. While I don't think Kirby will do that, there's no way of knowing right now.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Re: Florida boosters are discussing buyout for Mac

I'm waiting for confirmation - as of now everyone is pointing back to football scoop posting 'insiders are reporting'...

I think he's gone, but at this point we're waiting for confirmation.

Is Sports Illustrated good enough?


https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/10/29/florida-gators-jim-mcelwain-coach-fired



The university has yet to announce the decision but Robbie Andreu of The Gainesville Sun reports that the players have been informed.


I guess it's still hit or miss based on that, though.

 

[81usaf92]

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McElwain finished his Florida head coaching career with 22 wins and 12 losses.

It’s hard to believe that a back-to-back division-winning coach has been relieved of his duties midway through his third season.

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I predict UF will pay for a long time and through multiple orifi for this stupidity. No coach could have won this year with the losses they have dealt with due to stolen credit cards and injuries. Why would any coach take on a job with an employer that expects the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and Santa Claus rolled into one person.

1) Mac was fired because he really crossed the line with the death threats thing. He put the school administration and AD in an impossible situation. He was fired for his mouth not his on the field performance.

2) saying he won the east two years in a row is not as impressive as it sounds. Butch Jones has more to do with him winning it than he himself. The East is basically the West in the 90’s but worse.

3) Florida is still a prime job and will attract any coach that is looking for a title. Foley messed up with Mac. It should’ve been Mullen’s job if he was serious about winning.

 

[LSUgrad2BamaDad]

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Jeremy Foley will stick his nose in the rehiring process and then disappear again. When the new hire struggles, he won’t be around to face the music. Foley is a fraud and Mac, well he got what he deserved. I hope both UF and Mac make a bunch of lawyers rich fighting each other. (Sorry Bazza).

 

[G-VilleTider]

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I don't think a blue-blood like UF should EVER hire an up-and-comer. Sure, it can occasionally work out, but why risk it? It fails more often than it succeeds. Hire a proven winner.

Steve Spurrier was an up and comer, and so, too, Urban Meyer.


I don't in any way disagree with you, but they've hit the jackpot twice that way. Of course, Mac might be the regression to the mean.

Florida wasn't a blue-blood when they hired Spurrier and still didn't really have the history necessary, IMHO, to be regarded as a true blue-blood when they hired Meyer. Not trying to be a snob, but pre-Meyer, I don't think most people viewed them as a historical blue-blood.

 

[JBama_in_PCOLA]

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I guess that’s that.


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[selmaborntidefan]

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And missed with Zook, Muschamp, and McElwain.

Not great odds when you looks at what those three did compared to the winners.

The first two don't count - they weren't up and coming head coaches, they were coordinators, which is a whole other ballgame.

Muschamp was "head coach in waiting" at Texas, which I though was a disaster waiting to happen, and I turned out to be right.


We may be talking past each other here, but I was specifically referring to HEAD coaches who were "up and coming" like Dan Hawkins was at Boise, for example.

 

[G-VilleTider]

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I winder if Chip Kelly is on their list...

Kelly at Florida could be scary. If he were to go there and get a good DC, they might be a pretty tough out with the level of athletes Kelly could get to go there and run his system.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

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1) Mac was fired because he really crossed the line with the death threats thing. He put the school administration and AD in an impossible situation. He was fired for his mouth not his on the field performance.

True, but I just think they were looking for an excuse. The BIGGER issue it seems to me as far as their performance is that they haven't improved. Let's say they didn't win the East this year but had rang up some pretty big wins.


I think they WANTED to do it but were scared - and then they had the ammo to pull the trigger.

2) saying he won the east two years in a row is not as impressive as it sounds. Butch Jones has more to do with him winning it than he himself. The East is basically the West in the 90’s but worse.

Gary Pinkel won the East two years in a row......not a major accomplishment given the refuse in the division.

Let's look at it like this:

Gene Chizik won a national title. Does ANYONE think the guy should be anywhere near an SEC program?
Mike DuBose beat Steve Spurrier twice in nine weeks. Does ANYONE actually believe DuBose was a better coach?

Oh, and Mark Richt won the East in 2011 and 2012, and he, too, got fired, so nothing big here. (Note: to anyone reading this, yes, 81 and I agree, this is a response to the larger board).

3) Florida is still a prime job and will attract any coach that is looking for a title. Foley messed up with Mac. It should’ve been Mullen’s job if he was serious about winning.

Maybe. Still torn on that one. Mullen loses a lot of games right after everyone asserts "how well he has done as Miss St." Every. Single.Time.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

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Florida wasn't a blue-blood when they hired Spurrier and still didn't really have the history necessary, IMHO, to be regarded as a true blue-blood when they hired Meyer. Not trying to be a snob, but pre-Meyer, I don't think most people viewed them as a historical blue-blood.

This is actually a fair point.

 

[crimsonaudio]

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The first two don't count - they weren't up and coming head coaches, they were coordinators, which is a whole other ballgame.

Muschamp was "head coach in waiting" at Texas, which I though was a disaster waiting to happen, and I turned out to be right.


We may be talking past each other here, but I was specifically referring to HEAD coaches who were "up and coming" like Dan Hawkins was at Boise, for example.

I'm talking about hiring ANYONE who's not a proven winner as a HC. That's all I said.

 

[Elefantman]

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My UF friends continue to tell me it’s Kelly or bust.

I hope they get Chip. During his time here at Philly he showed that his offense is a one trick pony that the rest of the NFL was able to figure out the next year. He had to be in control of everything including managing the roster through trades and drafts. When things did not go well, it was always somebody else at fault. So go ahead UF and hire Chip. You will be looking to replace him in three years.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

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I'm talking about hiring ANYONE who's not a proven winner as a HC. That's all I said.

Then we ARE talking past each other, ha ha.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

Florida boosters are discussing buyout for Mac

When Kelly was at Oregon the consensus on this board was that his system would never work in the SEC. I still agree with that so, I hope they hire him because, I think it would be a disaster. Oregon always lost to anyone that had anything resembling a decent defense.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

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I hope they get Chip. During his time here at Philly he showed that his offense is a one trick pony that the rest of the NFL was able to figure out the next year. He had to be in control of everything including managing the roster through trades and drafts. When things did not go well, it was always somebody else at fault. So go ahead UF and hire Chip. You will be looking at probation in three years.

FIFY

 

[selmaborntidefan]

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When Kelly was at Oregon the consensus on this board was that his system would never work in the SEC. I still agree with that so, I hope they hire him because, I think it would be a disaster.

He couldn't even beat the WORST defense in the modern era to win a national title (2010 Auburn).

 

[CrimsonPride]

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It’s never good for a current HC when a fan favorite ex-HC starts hanging around the program/facilities (i.e. Phat Phil and Spurrier).

If it is true that he has been fired, it was handled terribly. UF players are tweeting that no one from the administration told them anything and that they heard it first on Twitter.


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[Elefantman]

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Sounds like that program will be a dumpster fire for the next few years. CJM did not create the problems they have down there and one thing they need to do will never happen in Gainesville: Drain the swamp.

 

[KrAzY3]

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When Kelly was at Oregon the consensus on this board was that his system would never work in the SEC. I still agree with that so, I hope they hire him because, I think it would be a disaster. Oregon always lost to anyone that had anything resembling a decent defense.

I don't recall saying anything like that, but I did repeatedly call it a gimmick offense. My viewpoint is and was that it was a taking advantage of unintentional quirks of the change to the clock rules, etc...

But, he was the best at it! I mean seriously, Gus/Sumlin/Freeze, they all ran a wanna be version of what he ran. This guy was 46-7 in a major conference. In the SEC, Gus has almost 3 times as many losses and less wins, Sumlin over 3 times as many losses and a few more wins, Freeze had over 3 times as many losses and less wins. Also, I should probably point out that Oregon looks like crap now.

All three of those guys at various times were considered at or near the top in terms of SEC coaches, and it's hard to deny that Chip Kelly is the one who really mastered the no huddle hurry up. Now, the downside? The argument is he doesn't like recruiting, he's been away from the game for a while, and teams might be starting to figure out his offense. While true, he doesn't have to be anywhere near 46-7. If he replaces a guy who is 22-12 I think the goal line is clear. He's supposed to give them a chance to win all their games, which I think he offense can do, and he's supposed to be somewhere around the 10 win mark each season. I think those are reasonable goals. This might not be a slam dunk hire, but Chip Kelly has the potential to make his team rather dangerous to play.

The knock on Kelly will be that his teams will be fundamentally flawed, somewhat like Gus' Auburn teams seem to be. Capable of winning games, but not capable of winning them all. But, we're not talking about Urban Meyer or Nick Saban here. Those guys aren't available... the goal should be hiring a guy who can win, and who that might be available has a better track record of doing that?