Jim McElwain Terminated by Florida

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1) Mac was fired because he really crossed the line with the death threats thing. He put the school administration and AD in an impossible situation. He was fired for his mouth not his on the field performance.
So, your saying that if FL was 8-0 right now and he said that, he would be fired? Keep it real, man. That is pure fantasy. In this world, it is almost always about W/L.
 

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Call me old fashioned but winning consecutive division titles used to be considered a success. I think UF needs to seriously reevaluate their expectations.
 

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So, your saying that if FL was 8-0 right now and he said that, he would be fired? Keep it real, man. That is pure fantasy. In this world, it is almost always about W/L.
You tell me. You and so many Mac fans keep hyping up his 2 Eastern division championships like they are major accomplishments.

If he was 8-0 he probably wouldn’t be saying that or getting job security questions. Had he shut up he probably gets told to get rid of the cancer known as Nuss, and gets another season. But he gave ammo for the administration to fire him by throwing them under the bus. So he was sent packing because of his mouth more than his job performance.
 

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You tell me. You and so many Mac fans keep hyping up his 2 Eastern division championships like they are major accomplishments.

If he was 8-0 he probably wouldn’t be saying that or getting job security questions. Had he shut up he probably gets told to get rid of the cancer known as Nuss, and gets another season. But he gave ammo for the administration to fire him by throwing them under the bus. So he was sent packing because of his mouth more than his job performance.
See, that is different than what you said in the post to which I responded. Yes, it is an excuse for his firing - a red herring to throw the stink off of it. But the reality is that this is all about wins and losses.

If having a big mouth got people fired, Harbaugh and Spurrier would never have lasted a season.

ETA - he never even mentioned the school administration, so I have no idea where you get the "throwing them under the bus" stuff. If the threats were real, he did nothing wrong. If they weren't real, he gets fired for lying. Nothing in there is throwing anyone under the bus.
 
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He couldn't even beat the WORST defense in the modern era to win a national title (2010 Auburn).
Amen. Bring him - he'll be a Chip on the old chopping block in three years. His Philly fiasco - with his fingerprints on every aspect of it as elefantman noted - was prologue to what will go down for Chipper as an SEC coach. Of course he could also go to UcheaT if the Gators get Chucky first and replicate his 49ers' success story in turning that franchise around.
 

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Changing the topic title a bit to reflect the current events.
 

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See, that is different than what you said in the post to which I responded. Yes, it is an excuse for his firing - a red herring to throw the stink off of it. But the reality is that this is all about wins and losses.

If having a big mouth got people fired, Harbaugh and Spurrier would never have lasted a season.

ETA - he never even mentioned the school administration, so I have no idea where you get the "throwing them under the bus" stuff. If the threats were real, he did nothing wrong. If they weren't real, he gets fired for lying. Nothing in there is throwing anyone under the bus.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.orla...tors-georgia-mike-bianchi-1029-story,amp.html

Yes he did. By bringing that out he is basically saying 1) the administration is not taking the safety of the student athletes seriously and 2) Florida fans are a bunch of crazy fans that go to extreme actions ( true but you don’t say that).

The AD and president were very hacked off about it and for good reason.
 

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https://www.google.com/amp/www.orla...tors-georgia-mike-bianchi-1029-story,amp.html

Yes he did. By bringing that out he is basically saying 1) the administration is not taking the safety of the student athletes seriously and 2) Florida fans are a bunch of crazy fans that go to extreme actions ( true but you don’t say that).

The AD and president were very hacked off about it and for good reason.
But he is either telling the truth, or he is not. If he is telling the truth, he isn't throwing them under the bus. He is shining a light on an ugly truth that needs to be exposed. It is that kind of stuff that destroyed many good programs - a win at all costs, throwing the victims under the bus as you go along.

So, if he is telling the truth, good for him. If he is lying, shame on him. Either way, he gets a huge pass if he is on his way to his 3rd SECCG in a row.
 

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Amen. Bring him - he'll be a Chip on the old chopping block in three years. His Philly fiasco - with his fingerprints on every aspect of it as elefantman noted - was prologue to what will go down for Chipper as an SEC coach.
He might struggle in the SEC, but I have no idea how failure in the NFL has anything at all to do with college football. Gene Stallings, Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier all had struggles in the NFL. Heck Daboll had one of the worst offenses in the NFL a couple of years and was out of work for years as an OC. Pointing to the NFL and going on he sucked in the NFL now he's going to suck in college just makes no sense to me. Especially when you're talking head coaches, where how you acquire players, how you handle them, etc... is so very different.
 

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Maybe I should point out that while Florida is obviously MUCH bigger than Oregon recruiting-wise, Kelly pretty much had all the stars in Oregon and Washington football to himself. Go back and look at the Huskies at the SAME time Kelly was there. He had the biggest program in the area, so he got all the stars.


While there are obviously more in Florida, he's gonna have MUCH more competition for those same recruits.

Now....Chip could easily rout the Vandys and UKs of the world, but I suspect he'll find a tougher road to hoe when he faces the bigger guns.
 

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So, if he is telling the truth, good for him. If he is lying, shame on him. Either way, he gets a huge pass if he is on his way to his 3rd SECCG in a row.
This is the main problem with the Mac love. How many Bama fans say “we were SECW champs in 93 and 96” when referring how good CGS was. Two years it was a whoopty doo feeling at making it to Bham and Atlanta. The truth is no real competitor wants to back into a championship because you are the best bad team, and you get slaughtered by a team that actually deserves to be there. I think had he beaten UGA yesterday there would still be trouble right now and he would still be gone. Florida wants to be competitors in Atlanta not participants.
 
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This is the main problem with the Mac love. How many Bama fans say “we were SECW champs in 93 and 96” when referring how good CGS was. Two years it was a whoopty doo feeling at making it to Bham and Atlanta. The truth is no real competitor wants to back into a championship because you are the best bad team, and you get slaughtered by a team that actually deserves to be there. I think had he beaten UGA yesterday there would still be trouble right now and he would still be gone. Florida wants to be competitors in Atlanta not participants.
I'm not a Mac fan, and even if I was, his family is set for life. This is about why he was fired. He was fired for one reason - he wasn't winning enough, and there was no real hope that he ever would be. The rest of this stuff is just deflection and misdirection.

ETA - I like your posts. You are clearly a very intelligent poster. Not sure why you want to help carry the water of the FL administration here.
 
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It used to be unheard-of to fire a guy in mid season. It still seems extreme to me.
 

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But he is either telling the truth, or he is not. If he is telling the truth, he isn't throwing them under the bus. He is shining a light on an ugly truth that needs to be exposed. It is that kind of stuff that destroyed many good programs - a win at all costs, throwing the victims under the bus as you go along.

So, if he is telling the truth, good for him. If he is lying, shame on him. Either way, he gets a huge pass if he is on his way to his 3rd SECCG in a row.
There has to be something on, that we do not know. CJM looks like he wants out, but wants to exit as the good guy. The story about death threats looks like a hoax. It gives ammo to the PTB, and he will get a jump on getting a job at a place that suits him. (Or maybe Mrs. Mac.) Who knows?

Maybe he is distracted with peddling BBQ sauce.

Sure, if UF was 7-1, none of this would be happening. But why would a mediocre record, midway through a season, and rather pathetic on-field performance be reason to cut ties immediately? Something else has to be going on to fire him mid-season.

Could be some of this goes back to the credit card scam. Who knew what, and when? Maybe UF wants to quietly hang some of it on him, without having to bring that scandal back to the foreground.
 

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Maybe I should point out that while Florida is obviously MUCH bigger than Oregon recruiting-wise, Kelly pretty much had all the stars in Oregon and Washington football to himself. Go back and look at the Huskies at the SAME time Kelly was there. He had the biggest program in the area, so he got all the stars.
2009 Rivals Team Rankings:
#11 Florida
#7 Florida St.
#15 Miami
#32 Oregon

2010 Rivals Team Rankings:
#2 Florida
#10 Florida St.
#16 Miami
#13 Oregon

2011 Rivals Team Rankings:
#12 Florida
#2 Florida State
#36 Miami
#9 Oregon

2012 Rivals Team Rankings:
#3 Florida
#6 Florida St.
#9 Miami
#16 Oregon

I see two obvious conclusions. One is that just by showing up, he'll have as much talent he had at Oregon. If he continues the relative recruiting success he had in Oregon? He'll have noticeably superior talent in Florida. This isn't a slam dunk, I do think his offense has some flaws, but I think at Florida he'd also have a very dangerous team. Somewhat like the inverse to Harbaugh at Michigan, where the defense keeps them in games. Unless the wheels do come off, I can't see why he couldn't in the least put a run together like Freeze did 13-15 at Ole Miss, or Sumlin's first few years at A&M. That aside, the threat is he recruits well and has a similar level of success to Oregon while fielding a more talented team. I can see why a team would invest in that potential upside, and 95% of the college fans out there are ok with losing a couple every year, as long as the team has a chance to win them all.
 

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I don't recall saying anything like that, but I did repeatedly call it a gimmick offense. My viewpoint is and was that it was a taking advantage of unintentional quirks of the change to the clock rules, etc...

But, he was the best at it! I mean seriously, Gus/Sumlin/Freeze, they all ran a wanna be version of what he ran. This guy was 46-7 in a major conference. In the SEC, Gus has almost 3 times as many losses and less wins, Sumlin over 3 times as many losses and a few more wins, Freeze had over 3 times as many losses and less wins. Also, I should probably point out that Oregon looks like crap now.

All three of those guys at various times were considered at or near the top in terms of SEC coaches, and it's hard to deny that Chip Kelly is the one who really mastered the no huddle hurry up. Now, the downside? The argument is he doesn't like recruiting, he's been away from the game for a while, and teams might be starting to figure out his offense. While true, he doesn't have to be anywhere near 46-7. If he replaces a guy who is 22-12 I think the goal line is clear. He's supposed to give them a chance to win all their games, which I think he offense can do, and he's supposed to be somewhere around the 10 win mark each season. I think those are reasonable goals. This might not be a slam dunk hire, but Chip Kelly has the potential to make his team rather dangerous to play.

The knock on Kelly will be that his teams will be fundamentally flawed, somewhat like Gus' Auburn teams seem to be. Capable of winning games, but not capable of winning them all. But, we're not talking about Urban Meyer or Nick Saban here. Those guys aren't available... the goal should be hiring a guy who can win, and who that might be available has a better track record of doing that?
Kelly's offense is not the same as the other three. Dublin has traditionally run a single back, air raid offense similar to what he learned from Joe Tiller and Mike Leach. Gus and Hugh have some similarities, though Gus likes to run a lot more than Freeze.

Kelly's offense has been something else - and at its peak, better - but the SEC would eat him alive.


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2009 Rivals Team Rankings:
#11 Florida
#7 Florida St.
#15 Miami
#32 Oregon

2010 Rivals Team Rankings:
#2 Florida
#10 Florida St.
#16 Miami
#13 Oregon

2011 Rivals Team Rankings:
#12 Florida
#2 Florida State
#36 Miami
#9 Oregon

2012 Rivals Team Rankings:
#3 Florida
#6 Florida St.
#9 Miami
#16 Oregon

I see two obvious conclusions. One is that just by showing up, he'll have as much talent he had at Oregon. If he continues the relative recruiting success he had in Oregon? He'll have noticeably superior talent in Florida. This isn't a slam dunk, I do think his offense has some flaws, but I think at Florida he'd also have a very dangerous team. Somewhat like the inverse to Harbaugh at Michigan, where the defense keeps them in games. Unless the wheels do come off, I can't see why he couldn't in the least put a run together like Freeze did 13-15 at Ole Miss, or Sumlin's first few years at A&M. That aside, the threat is he recruits well and has a similar level of success to Oregon while fielding a more talented team. I can see why a team would invest in that potential upside, and 95% of the college fans out there are ok with losing a couple every year, as long as the team has a chance to win them all.
Remember though - his type of offensive players are not on campus at FL right now. The Gators would have to be willing to lose for a few years if they want someone like Kelly to have success running his offense there. In this era, is that even possible?
 

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The last couple of weeks in this story are too weird . . bizarre.

Doesn't Mullen have a longer-term relationship with the AD in Gatorville?
 

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Well, admittedly, I am a Big Mac fan (liked that didn't you). I am glad he is out of the gator camp goes back out west. I guarantee that his agent's phone is blowing up today. I hope UF does get an overhyped, overpaid dude like Kelly. They deserve this if you ask me. They will be making another change in 3 years. I just hope some of their recruits on the defensive side of the ball start looking our way.
 

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