Jim McElwain Terminated by Florida

[B1GTide]

Re: Jim McElwain rumored to be terminated by Florida

So, who really wants to take that job, with this tidbit out there?

Yeah, let 'em bring in Chip Kelly, so OBC can meddle. Sounds great!

Head coaches have huge egos - they all think that they are special enough to overcome this kind of thing at a school. Very few are really that good.

 

[crimsonaudio]

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I'm not sure Mac should have been under any obligation to take the OBC's help.

Probably not, but:
1- the team plays their home games on a field named after the man, and
2- why would you not at least talk to him and potentially learn from this experience?

 

[B1GTide]

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Probably not, but:
1- the team plays their home games on a field named after the man, and
2- why would you not at least talk to him and potentially learn from this experience?

We have no idea how it went down. I can see Spurrier approaching Mac in many ways that would lead to him getting thrown out of his office. Spurrier has less tact than any head coach in the modern era.

 

[Bazza]

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We have no idea how it went down. I can see Spurrier approaching Mac in many ways that would lead to him getting thrown out of his office. Spurrier has less tact than any head coach in the modern era.

I understand what you are saying but not sure "tact" is the right word.

He's very direct and doesn't pull any punches, but I can't see Coach Spurrier being the problem here. If anything, he was a potential resource.

 

[Snuffy Smith]

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New offensive analyst?


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[tidefan26]

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What are the odds that Dan Mullen has already been called?


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[lowend]

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I don't think is as much about wins/losses (at this point) as it is about an offense that can't get off the ground in the past several years since the departure of Urban Myer. The suspensions and hurt players can be blamed this year, but what is it about the past several seasons with many different offensive coordinators and the lack of on field offensive production?

More like since the departure of Dan Mullen and Tim Tebow.

 

[edwd58]

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Spurrier is a quitter, I probably wouldn't have talked to either - unless I was looking on how best to quit mid-season.

 

[deliveryman35]

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This is turning into an ugly divorce before the ink is even dry. I really thought that UF would mishandle this, and that’s exactly what they are doing.

 

[Bazza]

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This is turning into an ugly divorce before the ink is even dry. I really thought that UF would mishandle this, and that’s exactly what they are doing.

I totally agree.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Re: Florida boosters are discussing buyout for Mac

2009 Rivals Team Rankings:
#11 Florida
#7 Florida St.
#15 Miami
#32 Oregon

2010 Rivals Team Rankings:
#2 Florida
#10 Florida St.
#16 Miami
#13 Oregon

2011 Rivals Team Rankings:
#12 Florida
#2 Florida State
#36 Miami
#9 Oregon

2012 Rivals Team Rankings:
#3 Florida
#6 Florida St.
#9 Miami
#16 Oregon

I see two obvious conclusions.

I see more than two. The 09 and 10 classes were recruited by Urban Meyer. The 11 and 12 classes Muschamp brought in didn't exactly translate into wins once they got to play.

One is that just by showing up, he'll have as much talent he had at Oregon.

He'll have more talent, no question. But he'll also have a LOT more competition for players from Miami, FSU, Alabama, UGA, and even smaller schools like UCF and USF.

That was my point. He didn't have much competition for the big guns in two states when he was in Oregon.

If he continues the relative recruiting success he had in Oregon? He'll have noticeably superior talent in Florida. This isn't a slam dunk, I do think his offense has some flaws, but I think at Florida he'd also have a very dangerous team. Somewhat like the inverse to Harbaugh at Michigan, where the defense keeps them in games. Unless the wheels do come off, I can't see why he couldn't in the least put a run together like Freeze did 13-15 at Ole Miss, or Sumlin's first few years at A&M. That aside, the threat is he recruits well and has a similar level of success to Oregon while fielding a more talented team. I can see why a team would invest in that potential upside, and 95% of the college fans out there are ok with losing a couple every year, as long as the team has a chance to win them all.

I actually concur with 81 here that Kelly's fit seems to me to be more for the Aggies of ATM than with Florida.

The catch with Florida is that if Chip comes there and has to take some time, are they gonna stand for it?

They just fired a guy who in his first two seasons finished first BOTH times.

"Well, if it wasn't for Butch Jones," but that's not "really" true, either.

One can argue it was in 2015, I agree. If Jones wins that game then Tennessee, who only lost to us by five, gets a rematch and then gets pulverized.

But Jones BEAT McElwain in 2016 when the Gators collapsed. What won the Gators the division - if you wanna get right down to it - was LSU firing Miles after the Auburn game and replacing him with Oregeron. LSU BLEW (pardon the pun) the infamous Hurricane game and as a result, Florida wound up back in first place again.


Now.....we need to also remember that McElwain got INCREDIBLY lucky twice against Kentucky. If you just look at 22-12, folks can ignore that he's only eight plays from his record being 14-20 and having multiple losses to Vandy AND UK and a loss to Florida Atlantic.


Only the sheer talent level at UF has bailed him out.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

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The last couple of weeks in this story are too weird . . bizarre.

Doesn't Mullen have a longer-term relationship with the AD in Gatorville?

Yes. Scott Stricklin was the AD at MSU when Mullen was there. He wasn't the one who hired Mullen, a guy by the name of Greg Byrne.

But yes - you're correct.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

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Watched the UT-KY game with a UT fan last night. He was hoping FL would fire Mclwain and that the Vols would immediately snatch him up. Great coach that obviously got into the wrong situation.

How drunk was he when he actually said this?

 

[RTR91]

Re: Jim McElwain rumored to be terminated by Florida

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/10/29/florida-gators-jim-mcelwain-coaching-search


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[selmaborntidefan]

Re: Florida boosters are discussing buyout for Mac

Gene Stallings?


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Perhaps the best example.


I was livid when Stallings got hired.


Ray Perkins had a losing record in the NFL and no college head coaching experience.
Bill Curry had a losing record in college.
Stallings, too, had a losing record in college.
Dubious had one year as a HS head coach and no college head coaching experience.
Franchione wasn't a proven winner at any high level of college ball (his last year at TCU made his ledger
look respectable)
Mike Price had a losing record as a head coach overall until two awesome years totaling 20-5 lifted him to five games above .500.
No need to talk Shula.


I mean, I agree with CA, but we've hired THREE coaches with ZERO college experience, two more with losing records, and the other two not really accomplished.


Of course, the 1990 hire should have been Bobby Bowden, too.

 

[81usaf92]

I see more than two. The 09 and 10 classes were recruited by Urban Meyer. The 11 and 12 classes Muschamp brought in didn't exactly translate into wins once they got to play.




He'll have more talent, no question. But he'll also have a LOT more competition for players from Miami, FSU, Alabama, UGA, and even smaller schools like UCF and USF.

That was my point. He didn't have much competition for the big guns in two states when he was in Oregon.




I actually concur with 81 here that Kelly's fit seems to me to be more for the Aggies of ATM than with Florida.

The catch with Florida is that if Chip comes there and has to take some time, are they gonna stand for it?

They just fired a guy who in his first two seasons finished first BOTH times.

"Well, if it wasn't for Butch Jones," but that's not "really" true, either.

One can argue it was in 2015, I agree. If Jones wins that game then Tennessee, who only lost to us by five, gets a rematch and then gets pulverized.

But Jones BEAT McElwain in 2016 when the Gators collapsed. What won the Gators the division - if you wanna get right down to it - was LSU firing Miles after the Auburn game and replacing him with Oregeron. LSU BLEW (pardon the pun) the infamous Hurricane game and as a result, Florida wound up back in first place again.


Now.....we need to also remember that McElwain got INCREDIBLY lucky twice against Kentucky. If you just look at 22-12, folks can ignore that he's only eight plays from his record being 14-20 and having multiple losses to Vandy AND UK and a loss to Florida Atlantic.


Only the sheer talent level at UF has bailed him out.

Let’s not forget he lost to Oeaux and should be 0-2 against him. I think Mac is average at best. If Kiffin was not such an off the field problem then I would hire him over Mac because he actually can bull crap his way to getting big time recruits.

Butch Jones did indeed help Mac in 2016.

Take in to account that he blew the aTm and USCe pretty much by himself. Granted he lost to Vandy, but had he not got in his own way in both of those games Mac is looking worse after taking a butt whooping by Jimbo at the tail end of the season.

 

[drwho]

Re: Florida boosters are discussing buyout for Mac

Florida needs to break the bank and hire Frost.

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

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I don't think a blue-blood like UF should EVER hire an up-and-comer.

My god, man, UF is nouveau riche! Post-Purchase! The 323 area code! Upper West Side!


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[B1GTide]

Re: Jim McElwain rumored to be terminated by Florida

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/10/29/florida-gators-jim-mcelwain-coaching-search


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Thanks - very interesting read.

 

[UntouchableCrew]

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Florida needs to break the bank and hire Frost.

I agree. He runs Kelly’s offense but he’s younger, less prickly and more enthusiastic about recruiting.