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Joe Paterno has passed (confirmed)

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Alabama was the last team to beat a Joe Paterno-coached Penn State. Given his and Coach Bryant's past relationship, somewhow that seems fitting.

Again, he was definitely culpable and made some grave errors in the Sandusky situation, but when the man drew his last breath and became room temperature, I believe that he paid for his mistakes. That does not mean though that his reputation and legacy have not been stained with a horrible black mark--because they have. Hopefully the very poor example he set in the handling of those accusations that were given to him will serve as a reminder to not only all the other people in his profession but every adult of exactly what NOT to do when confronted with crimes against children.
 
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deliveryman35 said:
Alabama was the last team to beat a Joe Paterno-coached Penn State. Given his and Coach Bryant's past relationship, somewhow that seems fitting.

Again, he was definitely culpable and made some grave errors in the Sandusky situation, but when the man drew his last breath and became room temperature, I believe that he paid for his mistakes. That does not mean though that his reputation and legacy have not been stained with a horrible black mark--because they have. Hopefully the very poor example he set in the handling of those accusations that were given to him will serve as a reminder to not only all the other people in his profession but every adult of exactly what NOT to do when confronted with crimes against children.
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All that being said, I think we should also allow the man to go peacefully to his grave and leave his eternal future in God's hands. Remember, don't judge lest you be judged...Matt 7:1
 
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Re: Joe Paterno finally dead...

I recommend all of you with strong feelings one way or the other find a way to say what you want without giving us reason to delete or edit your comments.

Do not start calling each other names. Do not engage in ignorant sparring.

State your opinion with some dignity and move along. Remember, it's not necessarily what you say, but how you say it that will get your in trouble on this board.
 
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Any good that Joe Paterno did as a football coach is far outweighed by the damage inflicted on the lives of the children who, had he done the right thing, would have never had to experience those horrors. His career as a football coach is meaningless when weighed against that.
 
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It goes back to the old saying "its ready to do the right thing when everybody is watching, but what you do when nobody is watching is what you will be remembered for" How much more will come out in the trial? I don't know and really don't care at this point. Sandusky, I hope, is met at the gates of hell by Paterno and they can try and cover up the devils deeds!
As for your personal attack on me. I have lived through these types of abuse and watched people turn there head the other way. These people in my eyes are just as bad as the abuser if not worse!
I love college football as much as anybody else, but this is bigger then football. This is about the ruined lives of innocent children and their families. Children who may now have issues the rest of their lives.
 
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BamainBoston said:
Rest in peace to a man who did many great things in his life but was still a man. And let the self righteous continue to pat themselves on the back for what they would have done differently and better.
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You don't have to be a righteous man to notify the police when you're confronted with the knowledge that a friend of yours has been raping children in the football facilities you oversee on campus.
 
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Here's something for those of you who've been lucky enough to not have personal contact with abuse. The victim never recovers - ever. My child suffers the aftereffects thirty years later. When you've had to live with the consequences, it causes one to form a certain opinion of both the abusers and the enablers. I couldn't change my opinion even if I wanted...
 
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TIDE-HSV said:
Here's something for those of you who've been lucky enough to not have personal contact with abuse. The victim never recovers - ever. My child suffers the aftereffects thirty years later. When you've had to live with the consequences, it causes one to form a certain opinion of both the abusers and the enablers. I couldn't change my opinion even if I wanted...
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Thank you for being able to say this in a way that's not overly dramatic. People hear the message better when it's not a diatribe. :)
 
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BamainBoston said:
Joe Paterno apologized for his actions and if he made his peace with his God, then you will be sorely disappointed. I understand that many of you believe he did wrong, and that may very well be true, but the hatred and the judgment shown here is disgusting to me, particularly with the body not even cold.
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If you'd had it happen to your flesh and blood, as I have, I think your emotions would be different...
 
RWTT said:
R U? How would you feel if one of your kids were molested? How would you feel knowing that man was still lurking on that campus with a office no less if your kids had been molested? This man with such high morals knew what type of man Sandusky was and still allowed this to happen
I understand what happened and everyone here knows he should have handled it differently but Sandusky molested those kids yes if it was my child I would be mad at both but to say joepa to burn in hell is different
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2003TIDE said:
I feel bad for his family, and it stops there. I'm sad he didn't live to see Sandusky convicted so it could really sink in what he allowed to happen. It's disgusting, and I'm confused to how people can sit here and say they feel bad because his legacy was tarnished because of it.
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I have mixed feelings about the whole situation. My primary position mirrors that of Earle (TIDE-HSV) and the quote above. I feel sadness for his family because of everything they have had to endure the past 11 weeks, but I also feel angry because I feel like JoePa got off easy--if he made his Peace with the Lord and was forgiven, he is rejoicing in Heaven as we all type out our feelings. Everlasting life versus the Hell on Earth a trial would have been for him--which would you pick? His family also has to live with the taint he left them. I have a real problem with that. I won't apologize for how I feel about this either. If you disagree, that is certainly fine with me.
 
It is interesting that the New York Times noted that Joe Pa won his last game with a win over Illinois. The Bear also won his last game with a win over Illinois. Bear died 4 weeks after he stopped coaching, while Joe Pa died 12 weeks after coaching.
 
I'm going to say one more thing and then leave this thread and transfer it to NS. If you'd had it happen to your own child, you would find that your revulsion for both the abuser and the enablers is just about equal. The way I define an "enabler" is any responsible adult who could have done more to stop the abuse, once becoming aware of it. Some of Sandusky's victims will eventually take their own lives (if some haven't already). The "survivors" will spend the rest of their lives in fear and with a ruined self-image. Sandusky himself may well cheat his fate, knowing what awaits him in prison. I would wish for every participant, miscreant and accessories, to spend many years living with guilt. My judgment is harsh and I've explained why. I'm now out...
 
Edit: I wrote the following before reading Earle's powerful quote above.
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Sometimes a touch of attempted humor can help...

I'm reminded of the old joke "So, other than that, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln?"

My point being the situation with Sandusky was so horrific many have a hard time jumping over it. I can understand both points of view.
 
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The tragedy in this lies with the children. The shame in this lies with Paterno and all adults in positions of authority who had knowledge of this and did not do enough to end it.

Paterno had a great career coaching college football. His reputation will be forever tarnished not for what he did on the sidelines, but for what he didn't do outside the game of football.

His soul and his family are in my prayers. That in no way diminishes the prayers I say for all abused children. Believe it or not, child sexual abuse is not rare. It is rampant across communities, cultures and across the world. There's not a one of us on this board who does not know someone who has had his/her sexual boundaries crossed inappropriately and prematurely. You may not know you know someone who's been a victim, but trust me, you do.

So, if you want to get your hackles up, take a moment to recognize that each of us could be a whole lot more active in the prevention of child sexual, emotional and physical abuse.
 
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Edit: I wrote the following before reading Earle's powerful quote above.
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Sometimes a touch of attempted humor can help...

I'm reminded of the old joke "So, other than that, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln?"

My point being the situation with Sandusky was so horrific many have a hard time jumping over it. I can understand both points of view.
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Attempted humor in this instance is not appropriate, period.
 
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