John Gruden for Bama coach????

[Jack Bourbon]

http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=132810

Well, think about the "tradition" angle.

First, there was Paul "BEAR" Bryant.

Now, enter Jon "CHUCKY" Gruden.

_lol:

My only concern with Chucky is we may not see the flashiest of offenses with him.

 

[Crimson Hawk]

http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=132810


_lol:

My only concern with Chucky is we may not see the flashiest of offenses with him.

Actually, flashy offense is what first got Gruden noticed, & indeed was the basis for his early success. Don't know what happened.

since there have been UA plane trips to Tampa in the last couple of weeks.

Isn't that also where Robert Marve lives? Might help explain the trips.

 

[hightide5]

We need a guy like JG.

He is on the hot seat, so let's take him with the dough.

 

[derek4tide]

My only concern with Chucky is we may not see the flashiest of offenses with him.

Jon is known for his style of the Bill Walsh West Coast offense. It is very wide open with many receivers and a quick run game. He followed Mike Holgren from the 49ers to Green Bay in '92 as receivers coach. He left GB to go to Philadelphia as Ray Rhodes' OC. He left Philly to become Oakland's HC in 1998. He knows offense and how to develop great QB's. When he has the talent, the offense is very flashy and scores often.:BigA:

 

[Alanbama27]

This thread is the funniest dadgum thread I've ever read. We have people on here who wanted Spurrier and would have walked to SC to drag his butt back to T-Town. Now they want Saban and would crawl to Miami to get him. However, when it comes to Jon Gruden, they hate him...he's a terrible coach and a jerk to boot. Do you guys realize that Spurrier was possibly the worst NFL coach to walk the sidelines of the NFL in the past 20 years? And frankly, Saban isn't much better.

Here is the problem with your logic...having success in college doesn't correlate to success in the NFL and having lost in the NFL doesn't mean you'll lose in college. The problem with the comparison is this...in the NFL you're dealing with salary caps, free agency and frankly a lot of players who are total and utter jerks. Some days they'll play for you and others, they won't. In college, you do deal with personalities, but at that level, it is much easier to DISCIPLINE a player than it is when they are making more money than you! In the NFL they have access to the media, in college if a player speaks out, he's pretty much gone!

You can't compare coaching in the NFL or success thereof to coaching in college or vice versa. For a perfect example just look no further than Gene Stallings. And as for recruiting...the term "JUST WIN BABY" comes to mind. I don't care if you're the biggest jerk to coach a team, if you're successful the players will flock to you. As a prime example, look no further than HOOVER HIGH SCHOOL!

 

[Jack Bourbon]

Jon is known for his style of the Bill Walsh West Coast offense. It is very wide open with many receivers and a quick run game. He followed Mike Holgren from the 49ers to Green Bay in '92 as receivers coach. He left GB to go to Philadelphia as Ray Rhodes' OC. He left Philly to become Oakland's HC in 1998. He knows offense and how to develop great QB's. When he has the talent, the offense is very flashy and scores often.:BigA:

Yeah, but recently he just hasn't had any offense. May not be his fault, I understand that.

 

[GrayTide]

Here is the problem with your logic...having success in college doesn't correlate to success in the NFL and having lost in the NFL doesn't mean you'll lose in college. The problem with the comparison is this...in the NFL you're dealing with salary caps, free agency and frankly a lot of players who are total and utter jerks. Some days they'll play for you and others, they won't. In college, you do deal with personalities, but at that level, it is much easier to DISCIPLINE a player than it is when they are making more money than you! In the NFL they have access to the media, in college if a player speaks out, he's pretty much gone!

You can't compare coaching in the NFL or success thereof to coaching in college or vice versa. For a perfect example just look no further than Gene Stallings. And as for recruiting...the term "JUST WIN BABY" comes to mind. I don't care if you're the biggest jerk to coach a team, if you're successful the players will flock to you. As a prime example, look no further than HOOVER HIGH SCHOOL!

Very well put Alan, I tried to say this in an earlier post but was not quite so eloquent. I personally would not want an NFL coach who had no college coaching experience. I think we got a good dose of the NFL mindset with CMS and it obviously did not work.

 

[Jack Bourbon]

Very well put Alan, I tried to say this in an earlier post but was not quite so eloquent. I personally would not want an NFL coach who had no college coaching experience. I think we got a good dose of the NFL mindset with CMS and it obviously did not work.

Don't know how sound that logic is. It's the slippery slope fallacy, drawing the general from the particular. Just because one NFL coach (already unproven and unsuccessful there) is bad, it doesn't follow that all other NFL coaches will be bad. Not to mention, Pete Carroll may have something to contribute on this subject.

Shula's problem wasn't that he was from the NFL. I was that his name was Mike and not Don.

 

[Alanbama27]

Don't know how sound that logic is. It's the slippery slope fallacy, drawing the general from the particular. Just because one NFL coach (already unproven and unsuccessful there) is bad, it doesn't follow that all other NFL coaches will be bad. Not to mention, Pete Carroll may have something to contribute on this subject.

Shula's problem wasn't that he was from the NFL. I was that his name was Mike and not Don.

Jack, I think you made my point for me. Nonetheless, most UNSUCCESSFUL NFL head coaches are now or have been VERY successful NCAA coaches. Stallings, Spurrier, Saban, Pete Carroll & Bill Callahan are five that immediate come to mind and with the exception of Stallings are very current and very relevant. How can you argue with this logic? Pete Carroll was NOT successful either as the head coach of the Patriots once he was the MAN in charge. Yes he had two good years, but his overall NFL experience in New England was 27 -21 and his Jets team went 6 - 10. Hardly a stellar NFL career as a head coach. Also, don't forget that Pete was the head coach of New England for 3 years, his years there were 10-6, 9-7 & finally 8-8. Again, while overall a winning percentage he got worse each year. He ws not the worst NFL coach, but look what happened with the Patriots once he left in 1999. In 2000 they went 5-11 and then in '01 they won the super bowl, in '02 they went 9-7 and then '03 another super bowl win, '04 yet another super bowl victory and finally '05 they lost to the Broncos in the AFC Championship game.

Just some stats that completely support my contention that Pete Carroll has been 10 fold better in College than he ever was in the NFL as a HEAD COACH.

 

[dabaxter]

You should read this: http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=131340

Here's a highlight...

It certainly looks like there's some folks ready to hand him over....

 

[BAMAHD]

I hope Chucky is one of the top 2 or 3 on the list?

 

[BAMARICH]

I hope Chucky is one of the top 2 or 3 on the list?

As I mentioned in a few other threads the past day or so, I've heard his name tossed around a good bit lately... would not be surprised in the least to find he is high on our priority list at this moment.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

As I mentioned in a few other threads the past day or so, I've heard his name tossed around a good bit lately... would not be surprised in the least to find he is high on our priority list at this moment.

I'm not sure I want anymore coaches from "Tampa Bay". That organization seems to instill some type of offensive curse that follows coaches around every where. Gruden's offense at Oakland (at least from my memory) was a true "Bill Walsh" West Coast offense that flew all over the field, but since he's been at T.B. it's been more like what Madden says- "When I think of the Tampa Bay offense I think 17 points."

Though they did score some points against the bears last Sunday. Maybe it's personnel. :conf3:

 

[BAMARICH]

I'm not sure I want anymore coaches from "Tampa Bay". That organization seems to instill some type of offensive curse that follows coaches around every where. Gruden's offense at Oakland (at least from my memory) was a true "Bill Walsh" West Coast offense that flew all over the field, but since he's been at T.B. it's been more like what Madden says- "When I think of the Tampa Bay offense I think 17 points."

Though they did score some points against the bears last Sunday. Maybe it's personnel. :conf3:

Personally, would like other candidates better myself... but I've been hearing some strange names (IMO) lately... with Chan Gailey getting a lot of press in some places today.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Personally, would like other candidates better myself... but I've been hearing some strange names (IMO) lately... with Chan Gailey getting a lot of press in some places today.

I would tend to believe that if Mal Moore and Co. walks Gailey behind the podium announcing his hire I'd have to believe that a lot coaches turned us down to get to that point....

 

[BAMARICH]

I would tend to believe that if Mal Moore and Co. walks Gailey behind the podium announcing his hire I'd have to believe that a lot coaches turned us down to get to that point....

I'd also have to believe that a lot of TidePride folks would fail to send in their annual renewal fee as well. :wink:

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I'd also have to believe that a lot of TidePride folks would fail to send in their annual renewal fee as well. :wink:

Having Gailey announced as coach would be like taking a swig of that morning coffee your wife fixed you but after you swallowed realized your dad had come over earlier and used the coffee cup as a spit cup for his snuff. It just leaves a bad taste in your mouth.....

 

[BAMARICH]

Having Gailey announced as coach would be like taking a swig of that morning coffee your wife fixed you but after you swallowed realized your dad had come over earlier and used the coffee cup as a spit cup for his snuff. It just leaves a bad taste in your mouth.....

Swapping coffee for spit... no way! I see it more like swapping coffee for Drano. You know... kinda like, not only will it kill you, but it will totally clean you out too.

 

[BAMAHD]

Alanbama27 made some very strong arguments and i've gotta say i agree.
John Gruden would bring alot to the table on and off the field. IF Gruden came the personal doe's not change and there is a good chance Kines stays.
Off the field Chucky could sell recruits very quick and the TV media would have a love fest trying to catchup with him growling on the sidelines.
Could this be Shaun's shocker?

 

[derek4tide]

I'm not sure I want anymore coaches from "Tampa Bay". That organization seems to instill some type of offensive curse that follows coaches around every where. Gruden's offense at Oakland (at least from my memory) was a true "Bill Walsh" West Coast offense that flew all over the field, but since he's been at T.B. it's been more like what Madden says- "When I think of the Tampa Bay offense I think 17 points."

Though they did score some points against the bears last Sunday. Maybe it's personnel. :conf3:

The Bucs have many starters out w/injuries. Because of that, CJG is doing all he can with very limited resources. The offense this year has been patched together and is basically limping through the year. It also doesn't help that Carnell is fumbling every other carry.