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John Gruden for Bama coach????

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I hope that if we don't get NS or Johnson we look into this guy. Who knows what he can do at the college level. The salary cap is a very big issue that can effect the teams production. Let's just see if he can win in college. Make sure he keeps CJK and then we'll win.
 
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The most accurate analysis of Gruden's stint with the Bucs is that he's a good coach but a lousy GM. It bears noting that Gruden did what Dungy couldn't--coach a talent laden team to a Superbowl win.

His receivers are too old. His defense is too old. His OL is beaten up and his QB is barely serviceable. He really hasn't had much to work with.

It also bears noting that player personnel decisions in the NFL and recruiting future college athletes is nowhere near the same. A poor GM can make one helluva recruiter, and a helluva recruiter can make a very poor GM.

I'm not sure he's the right fit for Bama, but knocks on him as a potential college coach based on his record in the NFL are missing the point.
 
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Umm, guys - Gruden isn't the Bucs GM, Bruce Allen is.



(edit: never mind - it sounds like you have your mind made up anyway...)
 
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hightide5 said:
But you're right. Shula let em fly at times as has most every other coach. Not the most admirable trait, but there it is.

Every coach cusses on the sidelines. If you think cussing makes a bad coach then why don't we look at Stallings. If you ever watched him on the sidelines his mouth was very dirty, but he won a national championship. If they cuss on the sidelines it means they are competitive and want to win more than anything. Would yall rather have a laid back coach that did not light into people or would yall like a guy that points out mistakes and really cares about what he is doing?
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Who says a person has to cuss to be intense??? I've had coaches at all levels, even up to the collegiate level that rode my tale pretty hard with very little cussing (some coaches did more than others). However, it was the coach's intensity, not his foul language that motivated me.

BTW, Coach Stallings is a good Christian man and he's expressed regret about using foul language.

Will the next Bama coach cuss? Probably. Will it make his momma proud? You know the answer to that. ;)
 
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i'm not saying cussing is a good thing, but it least it lets us know he cares. I know stallings would apologize after the game to his family and everyone. Sometimes it takes a little language to tick a guy off so that he will knock heads around on the football field, other times cussing is not needed.
 
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StoneMtnDew said:
Gruden ain't a great coach. Tampa is terrible right now. They won the SB with Dungy's players. Then Tampa Bay went 7-9, 5-11, 11-5 (first round loss) and this year they are 3-10. He's been to the playoff 4 times in 9 years, once in the last four. He has no college head coaching experience and actually coached at UT for a while as an assistant.
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This is a pretty typical post from a college football fan who doesn't understand the business of the NFL. Gruden won with Dungy's players. Translation: Gruden did what Dungy couldn't. If Gruden followed Dungy to Indy, I'd lay strong odds that Paytie would get his ring.

In college, you have your players for four years out of five. In the NFL, you have players under contract within a salary cap until the contract expires or a trade is agreed upon.

In college, the head coach is the man. In the NFL, multi-millioniare prima donnas do whatever the hell they want.

In college, as head football coach, you are responsible for acquiring the services of every one of your players. In the NFL, either you, the GM, the owner or all three make draft selections.

In college, you play the same teams every year regardless of your record. When you win, it helps recruiting. In the NFL, success means a tougher schedule and a lower draft pick.

I could go on, but saying that Gruden would not be successful in college because he hasn't "done much" at Tampa Bay is misguided. It just doesn't follow.
 
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Thanks gulf coast. Gruden might not be the best choice but he should get a look. I know that his friends say that he is a people person and he would probably recruit well because he would not deal with a GM or salary cap. He'd win at BAMA and make us a powerhouse.
 
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I'm not sure he would win at Bama. But I think measuring his potential to do so based on his performance at a poorly run Tampa Bay organization is akin to saying Steve Marriucci can't coach because of his stint in Detroit.

That is arguably the worst managed pro sports franchise since Thomas took over at the knicks. TB can't be too far behind those two.
 
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I'm always worried about a guy that leaves a team in significantly worse shape then when he found it and if Gruden were to leave TB for Bama, that's just what he'd be doing. In my mind, that puts his talent evaluation and team building skills in question.

I think he's probably a good leader and on-field strategist, but when you're talking about rebuilding a program and keeping it competitive for years to come, that's only half the job.

I also think there's a bigger skillset difference than most people will admit between successful NFL and College coaches . I think there are plenty of successful NFL head coaches out there that would make so-so college coaches.
 
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For some of you worried about coaches coming to the college level who could not get the job done in the NFL, I have one name for you. Pete Carroll.
 
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Hankster2 said:
I'm always worried about a guy that leaves a team in significantly worse shape then when he found it and if Gruden were to leave TB for Bama, that's just what he'd be doing. In my mind, that puts his talent evaluation and team building skills in question.

I think he's probably a good leader and on-field strategist, but when you're talking about rebuilding a program and keeping it competitive for years to come, that's only half the job.

I also think there's a bigger skillset difference than most people will admit between successful NFL and College coaches . I think there are plenty of successful NFL head coaches out there that would make so-so college coaches.
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tampa bay had been to the playoffs, what once before Gruden got there? No doubt Dungy built the team, but Gruden won with them and would have continued, had the salary cap bug not bit them, and its hard to coach in Tampa, and this is coming from a Bucs fan, look at what Dungy has done once he got away from there, I love the Buccanneers, but if I was a coach I wouldn't want to coach there, the Glazers have no business owning a NFL Franchise...
 
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AdamMc2003 said:
tampa bay had been to the playoffs, what once before Gruden got there?
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Umm, try four of the previous five years.

No offense, but when you don't even know the basic facts, it doesn't really help your argument...

Aside from the one SB (thanks to Monte) what exactly has Gruden accomplished to make you guys so hot for him?
 
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Prior to joining the Buccaneers, Gruden guided the Oakland Raiders to division titles in each of his final two seasons. He steered the Raiders to a 40-28 mark in four seasons (1998-2001), with postseason appearances in 2000 and 2001.

Under Gruden, the Raiders advanced to the AFC title game in 2000 and in 2001 lost a divisional playoff game to eventual Super Bowl champion New England.
 
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I've heard all the Gruden bashing I'm going to here! This man built the Raiders into a superbowl contender and then was such a hot coaching commodity that he was traded to the Bucs for money and players. The man basically had two different teams in the Super Bowl!!!!! Not to mention he won a DA*N Super Bowl at Tampa Bay! The ownership cut and ran for profit after the fact but who could blame a perpetual losing franchise for doing so!!!!!!

Whether or not John Gruden coaches BAMA or not is makes zero difference the fact remains that he is a Championship coach and the only people that will even dispute the fact are upset or ignorant TB fans that can't get over the 3-10 season of 2006.

This man would do a great job for Alabama and is one of the top 10 in his profession! No secret!:)
 
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crimsonaudio said:
Umm, try four of the previous five years.

No offense, but when you don't even know the basic facts, it doesn't really help your argument...

Aside from the one SB (thanks to Monte) what exactly has Gruden accomplished to make you guys so hot for him?
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Did you watch him at Oakland?
 
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mikeua69 said:
Did you watch him at Oakland?
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Yep. He had the players for his system...

For all the Gruden apologists, I wish you had spent some time on the Bucs boards, not just this year but previous years, so you could hear the complaints a majority of the fans had about him:
1] unwillingness to change coaching techniques/staff concerning the offensive line
2] unwillingness to change the playbook according to the players he has on hand
3] dedication to the run regardless of what the defense is giving

Sound familiar?

Look, I was a Gruden fan, wanted Dungy gone, etc. but he has accomplished nothing since the SB win. Call me ignorant all you want FatherTide (very classy, indeed) but I've been a Bucs fan longer (about 26 years) than I've been a Bama fan and I know that organization inside out.

This is a Gruden problem, not a salary-cap or ownership issue.
 
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