LSU's QB Jordan Jefferson and LB Josh Johns arrested and suspended indefinitely

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WMack4Bama

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Quote from Les per Randy Rosetta:

Les Miles: "We're preparing as if a happenstance would occur."

Only Les...Only Les
 

sanjosecrimson

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I hope this has all been overblown about the LSU players because I will be pulling for LSU in several games this year. You know the one for sure I won't!;) But if Les needs to suspend Jefferson for a game for breaking team rules the Oregon game would be his best bet. It is the first game of the season and not an SEC game so if they lose one early, their chances with the schedule they have before them, would set them up for a return to the BCSNCG if they were to run the table. Bama I think will take care of business in T-Town but if not I think LSU has the best chance of extending the SEC domination in the BCSCNG.

you have more faith than I do that they go undefeated before they meet Bama in TTown.
 

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Does no one find it odd that the same lawyer who represented Ryan Perrilloux is offering to represent 4 LSU football players free of charge? To me that would seem to be a red flag for the NCAA. Perhaps I'm missing something.

Given his history, if I was a representative of LSU and speaking on the subject of compliance I think I would either try to have Fisher replaced or come up with a stronger response than "The method of payment is still to be determined."

Fisher said over the weekend that he was representing the players free of charge, which he frequently does with LSU students. But that changed Monday.


“Our compliance staff talked today,” LSU spokesman Herb Vincent said, “and they were not comfortable with that. He’s representing them and he’s going to have to bill them. The method of payment is still to be determined.”
 
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Something that caught my attention is the players acquiring the services of Nathan Fisher. I would think that if the same player who represented Ryan Perrilloux was offering to represent 4 LSU football players free of charge, that might be a red flag for the NCAA. I may be missing something but at first glance this would bother me if I were an LSU fan.

If I was a representative of LSU I think I would either try to suggest he be replaced or come up with a stronger response than "The method of payment is still to be determined."
this isnt really an NCAA issue, this is a legal issue between the players and law enforcement, and LSU has to decide how that will effect those players careers at LSU.

It didnt really work out to well for the ryan last time, he had to take his talents to JSU. Of course that was after a number of off field incidents and if i remember correctly his grades may have been an issue.
 

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Does no one find it odd that the same lawyer who represented Ryan Perrilloux is offering to represent 4 LSU football players free of charge? To me that would seem to be a red flag for the NCAA. Perhaps I'm missing something.

Given his history, if I was a representative of LSU and speaking on the subject of compliance I think I would either try to have Fisher replaced or come up with a stronger response than "The method of payment is still to be determined."
what???? If I were him, I don't believe I'd have told that........
 

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this isnt really an NCAA issue, this is a legal issue between the players and law enforcement, and LSU has to decide how that will effect those players careers at LSU.

It didnt really work out to well for the ryan last time, he had to take his talents to JSU. Of course that was after a number of off field incidents and if i remember correctly his grades may have been an issue.
I was more speaking from the standpoint of free services. If this is the guy who has taken care of LSU's highest-profile student/athlete legal run-ins of late and he's offering his services to them for free... well, if you follow that thread back and do a little snooping what does it lead to? Has he represented other LSU players in the past free of charge? I know he said he often represents LSU students free of charge, but does he really have a history of representing student/non-athletes in similar cases? If so he must be the busiest and poorest lawyer in Louisiana.
 

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I think there are several factors in play here, and resulting confusion between NCAA violations, eligibility issues, statutory law, and requirements for general student conduct.

As far as I'm aware, it's not an NCAA violation to be in a bar, even under age, drunk throwing punches, kicking folks in the head, etc., etc. Might be illegal. Maybe even a felony. Might not be the best representation of the university, or best example of leadership, or any of a hundred other desireable things. But I don't think those are NCAA violations.

Free legal representation is another thing. Even that isn't an NCAA violation in and of itself. But it could be construed as extra benefits, which makes the player(s) professional, which makes them ineligible. Again, free legal help, even in the context of extra benefits, isn't a violation. But playing a professional player is. So if the Baton Rouge 4 all get free legal help, and LSU plays none of them, there's no NCAA problem. At least, not on that front.

I think the most interesting facet here is the possibility of felony assault. IF (and that's a huge two letters) an LSU player did in fact kick a person and thereby cause the fracture of several vertebrae, and IF -- there's those two letters again -- it wasn't in fear of bodily harm to the kicker or others he was attempting to protect (hard to see how a guy on the ground presents an imminent threat, but that's for a judge and/or jury to decide), that's a real problem for the university.

By that I mean, what's LSU's policy toward felonious assault on the part of a non-scholarshipped run-of-the-mill student? Would he even be allowed in school? For that matter, what's standard at other universities, including the University of Alabama?

How would you feel about your son or daughter sharing a classroom, or even a campus for that matter, with a person carrying that record, regardless of athletic status?

I honestly don't know what's standard -- whether at LSU, Alabama, or any other state university -- for that sort of thing and would welcome the education from others on the board.
 

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From Jim Keinpeter at the Times Picayune:

Fisher, who often represents LSU athletes in legal matters, had offered to work pro bono. But Herb Vincent, LSU associate athletic director for external affairs, said that will not happen.

"Our compliance department met and decided it was not in our best interests," Vincent said. "We rely on the compliance department to make the best judgments for our situation."

It's likely LSU wants to play it cautious because the program was put on a one-year probation by the NCAA in July for major recruiting violations.

Vincent said Fisher might be eligible to be paid by the NCAA-approved student-athlete opportunity fund, which in the past has been used for legal services. It is funded by proceeds from the NCAA basketball tournament and distributed through the conferences to the schools. It can be used for any number of student-athlete needs, Vincent said.
I suspect if criminal charges are filed, the players involved will get individual counsel anyway.

If a student gets convicted of a felony, they may face a student Code of Conduct hearing and face disciplinary actions ranging from probation to suspension and dismissal.
 

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So the same fund that helped a few Alabama players get back on their feet after a devastating tornado (i.e. nothing of their own doing) is going to help these jerks from LSU who decided on their own to beat the crap out of others. :mad: And there is the NCAA at its finest for you.
 

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So the same fund that helped a few Alabama players get back on their feet after a devastating tornado (i.e. nothing of their own doing) is going to help these jerks from LSU who decided on their own to beat the crap out of others. :mad: And there is the NCAA at its finest for you.
To be fair though...they are innocent until proven guilty...if a judge decides to hear a case. So...it would only be fair that these guys have proper representation to make sure false accusations weren't thrown on them. Remember that sometimes it is a lawyer's job to make sure their client is represented fairly...not always to try and get them cleared of all charges.
 

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Maybe his payment will be in tattoos :) I mean seriously nothing like waving a red flag at the nzaa and saying hey look at me I am going to give these fine upstanding CFB players some free stuff when everyone else in the free world pays through the arse for it :( Dumb just plain dumb.
 

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Didn't see this posted anywhere but just read an article with the times picayune that stated jj was at practice but was not participating....... Things are gonna get real interesting real soon down there on the bayou....:eek:
 

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Sorry forgot about that :( My bad and to think I just now learned how to post an image go figure :)
 
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