Maryland AG releases report on Catholic Church sex abuse

[92tide]

i guess this goes here. not done by drag queens btw

Spanish clergy sexually abused more than 200,000 children, inquiry estimates

Ombudsman says Catholic church’s response to cases ‘insufficient’ and calls for creation of a reparations fund

www.theguardian.com

 

[Go Bama]

i guess this goes here. not done by drag queens btw

Spanish clergy sexually abused more than 200,000 children, inquiry estimates

Ombudsman says Catholic church’s response to cases ‘insufficient’ and calls for creation of a reparations fund

www.theguardian.com

Why in the world is the state having to make reparations? The church should make reparations and expose all who are guilty of child abuse. The state’s part should be prosecuting the criminals the church protected.

The report is critical of the attitude of the church, calling its response to cases of child abuse involving the clergy “insufficient”. It recommends the creation of a state fund to pay reparations to victims.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Why in the world is the state having to make reparations? The church should make reparations and expose all who are guilty of child abuse. The state’s part should be prosecuting the criminals the church protected.

This is a fair question and the only thing I can come up with is that perhaps the state shares some liability for failing to investigate child abuse claims. I have no proof of this; it's just a guess on my part. I can't think of any other reason.

 

[AWRTR]

Why in the world is the state having to make reparations? The church should make reparations and expose all who are guilty of child abuse. The state’s part should be prosecuting the criminals the church protected.

I think the fund would be funded by the church and administered by the state. It is worded strangely, but that's all that makes sense unless the state is somehow guilty as well.

 

[twofbyc]

Actually, glorifying a politician from the pulpit is supposed to cost you your tax exemption. I'd like to see them go back to enforcing it. Maybe with the additional new IRS agents...

Not if the new Speaker of the House has any say in the matter…

 

[CrimsonJazz]

ID Sets Premiere For 'Let Us Prey: A Ministry of Scandals'

The four-part docuseries will air across two nights starting Friday, Nov. 24 at 9/8c on ID.

www.investigationdiscovery.com

Today, Investigation Discovery, the leading true crime network, announced Let Us Prey: A Ministry of Scandals, a new four-part docuseries exposing the predatory and insidious behavior within the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Churches, and the struggles of survivors to find justice. Featuring first-hand accounts from survivors, church defectors and activists, Let Us Prey offers crucial insight into the troubling culture within the IFB and the stronghold the churches have on its members. All four parts of Let Us Prey: A Ministry of Scandals premiere across two nights airing Friday, November 24 and Saturday, November 25 starting at 9/8c on ID.

My wife and I watched all 4 episodes in two days. If you're sitting there trying to think of a way to make yourself angry and sorrowful, I suppose you can watch this. But seriously, it's a good but difficult watch.

 

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ID Sets Premiere For 'Let Us Prey: A Ministry of Scandals'

The four-part docuseries will air across two nights starting Friday, Nov. 24 at 9/8c on ID.

www.investigationdiscovery.com

My wife and I watched all 4 episodes in two days. If you're sitting there trying to think of a way to make yourself angry and sorrowful, I suppose you can watch this. But seriously, it's a good but difficult watch.

Where do I watch this, Jazz?

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Where do I watch this, Jazz?

I found it on Max, but if you have Discovery ID, it should be there, too. I cut the cord a little while back and now I stream everything.

 

[Go Bama]

I found it on Max, but if you have Discovery ID, it should be there, too. I cut the cord a little while back and now I stream everything.

I don't have Max or Discovery ID. I'll keep looking.

Thanks

 

[Tidewater]

This is a fair question and the only thing I can come up with is that perhaps the state shares some liability for failing to investigate child abuse claims. I have no proof of this; it's just a guess on my part. I can't think of any other reason.

Not every country has a first amendment disestablishing the church.
Some countries have an established church. Then the state becomes liable for the church's failings.

I think forgiving someone is divine. Sins have consequences, however. They did even for David who was beloved of God.

If a priest molests a child, the Church can forgive him, but he has a secular penalty to pay for his crimes as well and the church should not interfere with the state pursuing justice, especially, as in the Maryland case, the church's "forgiveness" enables the sinner to injure yet another child.

I wonder what the Church's policy is now with a priest to reveals he has molested a child?

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I wonder what the Church's policy is now with a priest to reveals he has molested a child?

My understanding is that the church's stance on breaking the seal of confession hasn't changed, despite a LOT of debate within it. The law, however, varies by state. Statements made to a minister, priest, rabbi, or other religious leader are generally considered privileged or confidential communications. State laws generally exempt a pastor from having to testify in court, or to law-enforcement, about what was discussed in a church confession.

The so-called priest-penitent privilege, however, can be challenged in court. And some states are changing their laws in response to a rash of clergy child-abuse cases. At last count, I believe there were six states to have formally pursued legislative action.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I don't care what someone's religious beliefs are - if someone tells them they are or have abused children, it should be reported. Full stop.

Anything less than that, for any reason, is purely evil and morally indefensible.

You'll never convince me otherwise, because imo anyone sexually abusing a child should be put to death.

And any priest who protects these sickos is evil and deserves to be charged alongside the freaks that hurt children.

 

[AWRTR]

My understanding is that the church's stance on breaking the seal of confession hasn't changed, despite a LOT of debate within it. The law, however, varies by state. Statements made to a minister, priest, rabbi, or other religious leader are generally considered privileged or confidential communications. State laws generally exempt a pastor from having to testify in court, or to law-enforcement, about what was discussed in a church confession.

The so-called priest-penitent privilege, however, can be challenged in court. And some states are changing their laws in response to a rash of clergy child-abuse cases. At last count, I believe there were six states to have formally pursued legislative action.

In Florida clergy are mandatory reporters. This is from the state.

Practitioner who relies solely on spiritual means for healing, §§
39.201(1)(b)2c and 415.1034(1)(a)3;

https://www.flcourts.gov/content/download/864627/file/Mandatory%20Reporting%20of%20Abuse.pdf

The church I attend has a policy of reporting any child abuse we have knowledge of or suspicion of having occurred. We have had to report several incidents. Praise God it wasn't clergy, but we don't mess with that kind of thing. We just call law enforcement and make a report. We cooperate fully and let them do their job.

 

[Tidewater]

My understanding is that the church's stance on breaking the seal of confession hasn't changed, despite a LOT of debate within it. The law, however, varies by state. Statements made to a minister, priest, rabbi, or other religious leader are generally considered privileged or confidential communications. State laws generally exempt a pastor from having to testify in court, or to law-enforcement, about what was discussed in a church confession.

The so-called priest-penitent privilege, however, can be challenged in court. And some states are changing their laws in response to a rash of clergy child-abuse cases. At last count, I believe there were six states to have formally pursued legislative action.

Thanks.
I guess my point would be that the priest has an obligation to tell the penitent that part of his penance is to go to the authorities and tell them what he did.
You do not want to discourage sinners from confessing and repenting, but a child molester has sinned against God and the victim. The sinner has to do what he can to make the victim whole again.
Saying a thousand Pater Nosters and moving the priest to a new parish does nothing to heal the victim.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Thanks.
I guess my point would be that the priest has an obligation to tell the penitent that part of his penance is to go to the authorities and tell them what he did.
You do not want to discourage sinners from confessing and repenting, but a child molester has sinned against God and the victim. The sinner has to do what he can to make the victim whole again.
Saying a thousand Pater Nosters and moving the priest to a new parish does nothing to heal the victim.

Which brings up another interesting point: why on earth go to confession in the first place if one is not truly penitent? Seems to me that if someone intends to keep offending, there's really no point in asking for forgiveness.

 

[Tidewater]

Which brings up another interesting point: why on earth go to confession in the first place if one is not truly penitent? Seems to me that if someone intends to keep offending, there's really no point in asking for forgiveness.

Probably sincere at the moment. Like alcoholics/drug abusers. My mother got clean several times, but she would always relapse. Eventually it killed her.
I imagine pedophilia is much the same.
All the more reason to be public and transparent about it. So society can place barriers around the perp and future victims.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Former Virginia pastor facing 30 felony charges including indecent liberties with a child, aggravated sexual assault

A former pastor of an independent Baptist church in the town of Warsaw in Richmond County is facing 30 felony charges relating to multiple incidents the Richmond County Sheriff’s Office alleg…

www.wric.com

RICHMOND COUNTY, Va. (WRIC) — A former pastor of an independent Baptist church in the town of Warsaw in Richmond County Virginia is facing 30 felony charges relating to multiple incidents the Richmond County Sheriff’s Office alleges occurred at the church

Wharton was charged with 22 felony counts of taking indecent liberties with a child under the age of 13 while in a custodial position and eight felony counts of aggravated sexual assault.

“Wharton has lived and served seven churches in Virginia, South Carolina, Alabama and Florida over the past four decades,” Sheriff Smith said.

Sheriff Steve Smith of the Richmond County Sheriff’s Office said Wharton’s arrest was the culmination of a 15-month investigation into more than two dozen alleged incidents

Not a Catholic church, obviously, but at this point, does it even matter? Seriously, what the hell is wrong with these people?

 

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Former Virginia pastor facing 30 felony charges including indecent liberties with a child, aggravated sexual assault

A former pastor of an independent Baptist church in the town of Warsaw in Richmond County is facing 30 felony charges relating to multiple incidents the Richmond County Sheriff’s Office alleg…

www.wric.com

Not a Catholic church, obviously, but at this point, does it even matter? Seriously, what the hell is wrong with these people?

Dude is 86 years old. He probably thought he'd gotten away with these crimes.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Dude is 86 years old. He probably thought he'd gotten away with these crimes.

Yeah and at that age, I'm sure he'll probably escape justice one way or another. Rather than prison, they should just let his victims take turns beating him with an ax handle.

 

[Go Bama]

Yeah and at that age, I'm sure he'll probably escape justice one way or another. Rather than prison, they should just let his victims take turns beating him with an ax handle.

That would be too good for him.