Mass shootings . . . . pt 2.

[crimsonaudio]

The only downside is purchasers would have to plan ahead more. For me the tradeoff is justifiable.

Tell that to the woman being stalked by a crazy ex.

Also: https://www.politifact.com/factchec...dence-waiting-period-handgun-purchases-reduc/

 

[NationalTitles18]

I am open to a number of and combination of options. I do still like the idea of placing semiautos under the National Firearms Act in a category similar to fully automatic weapons.

Does anyone feel their rights are infringed because machine guns are more difficult to own? Maybe there are a few on the far fringes. After a time it would be the same for semiautos.

 

[Bazza]

Tell that to the woman being stalked by a crazy ex.

Also: https://www.politifact.com/factchec...dence-waiting-period-handgun-purchases-reduc/

I hear ya but IMHO, tn theory - that stalking should be dealt with in ways other than her having to go out and buy a gun.

Also, using your example - the stalker would have to also wait to get a gun - unless he already has access to one.

Then again maybe the woman would also have access to one also.

There's all kinds of scenarios one could use to support either side of any argument.

I'm only offering an idea that doesn't necessarily call for a ban on any type of gun - Something that seems to be a steep hill to climb.

The whole objective is to keep guns out of the hands of certain individuals. IMHO, three days is not enough time to properly acertain whether or not someone should be allowed to buy a gun.

 

[Bazza]

Also your article is dated 2015. Here's a more up to date one....

Waiting Periods

Studies suggest that waiting period laws are associated with reduced rates of firearm suicide.3 By one estimation, waiting period laws may reduce firearm suicide rates by 7–11%.

Waiting period laws also appear to reduce gun homicide rates. One study found that waiting period laws that delay the purchase of firearms by a few days can reduce gun homicides by roughly 17%.

Also:


Waiting periods are a popular policy supported by the overwhelming majority of Americans.

A 2019 study found that Americans routinely underestimate public support for gun safety measures including waiting periods: 85% of non-gun owners and 72% of gun owners support mandatory waiting periods for firearm purchases.

Another poll from 2017, which asked participants about their support for a lengthy waiting period of 30 days, found that 75% of Americans favor a 30-day waiting period for firearm purchases

 

[crimsonaudio]

I hear ya but IMHO, tn theory - that stalking should be dealt with in ways other than her having to go out and buy a gun.

Also, using your example - the stalker would have to also wait to get a gun - unless he already has access to one.

In the world of self defense, firearms are the equalizer. In most cases, the male is more aggressive and physically dominant than the female, hence her potential need for protection.

The whole objective is to keep guns out of the hands of certain individuals. IMHO, three days is not enough time to properly acertain whether or not someone should be allowed to buy a gun.

I agree, but we're better off building databases of those who are potentially dangerous rather than limiting someone from being able to protect themselves from a more dominant attacker.

I skipped your article about waiting periods as study after study have shown that they primarily impact suicides. While I'm not suggesting that's not a worthy goal, it's not what we're discussing here. In fact, we're not really even discussing reducing overall firearms deaths, just those that antagonize us emotionally.

100X as many people die in shootings every year than those in mass shootings, yet we're focused on mass shootings. Not minimizing mass shootings, of course, jus suggesting this is why we never get anywhere wrt solving the problem of gun violence.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I can also equate a committee of correspondence in 1772 to the Tidefans Non-sports board in 2022. I don't need SCOTUS to make either connection.
I'm not being defensive; I've read the posts in this thread...

I have no clue what you're talking about, but I'm curious. And I don't understand the remark about banning property, since I've been clear that I don't support confiscation...

 

[TIDE-HSV]

In the world of self defense, firearms are the equalizer. In most cases, the male is more aggressive and physically dominant than the female, hence her potential need for protection.


I agree, but we're better off building databases of those who are potentially dangerous rather than limiting someone from being able to protect themselves from a more dominant attacker.

I skipped your article about waiting periods as study after study have shown that they primarily impact suicides. While I'm not suggesting that's not a worthy goal, it's not what we're discussing here. In fact, we're not really even discussing reducing overall firearms deaths, just those that antagonize us emotionally.

100X as many people die in shootings every year than those in mass shootings, yet we're focused on mass shootings. Not minimizing mass shootings, of course, jus suggesting this is why we never get anywhere wrt solving the problem of gun violence.

I hear you, and, in the vast majority of cases, the shooter and the victim know each other and the weapon is a handgun. Probably about all that's possible, even it that is, is a more stringent background check and, again, a waiting period. However, since the primary victims of mass shootings are children, it's worth doing what we can...

 

[crimsonaudio]

I have no clue what you're talking about, but I'm curious...

I suspect he's making the point that our modern methods of 'free speech' are also very different that that when 1A was adopted.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I suspect he's making the point that our modern methods of 'free speech' are also very different that that when 1A was adopted.

Maybe. I'm curious, though...

 

[Bamaro]

. . . and the firearm carnage continues:

3 dead in Philadelphia shooting, police say

Emergency personnel responded at about midnight to the area near the intersection of Third and South streets, where there were "several active shooters," Philadelphia Police said.

"There were hundreds of individuals just enjoying South Street, as they do every single weekend, when the shooting broke out," Inspector D.F. Pace told reporters.

Officers arrived at the scene and saw a man fire into a crowd of people, prompting an officer to shoot three times, police said.

Police recovered two guns, including one with an extended magazine, at the scene, but have not made an arrest, Pace said.

Only 3 dead so I guess it wont get much coverage

 

[Go Bama]

. . . and the firearm carnage continues:

Only 3 dead so I guess it wont get much coverage

Doesn't even qualify as a mass shooting. Those three lives didn't count. He needed to bag one more.

 

[GrayTide]

I am not advocating confiscating weapons from gun owners, I am just trying to understand why people purchase assault rifles. As I said before, I understand ownership of hand guns, rifles, and shot guns, but assault weapons, I just don't know why or understand. Am I missing something?

 

[Bamaro]

I am not advocating confiscating weapons from gun owners, I am just trying to understand why people purchase assault rifles. As I said before, I understand ownership of hand guns, rifles, and shot guns, but assault weapons, I just don't know why or understand. Am I missing something?

As I mentioned earlier, it is a failed compensation for someones shortcomings. I hope though that legislative action doesn't get bogged down over assult weapons. Controlling hand gun street violence is a much bigger problem.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I am not advocating confiscating weapons from gun owners, I am just trying to understand why people purchase assault rifles. As I said before, I understand ownership of hand guns, rifles, and shot guns, but assault weapons, I just don't know why or understand. Am I missing something?

For many it depends on why you believe the 2A exists.

 

[crimsonaudio]

As I mentioned earlier, it is a failed compensation for someones shortcomings.

What are my shortcomings, Bamaro? What are Earle's?

Making sweeping attacks like this is an excellent way to look like a fool.

 

[Bamaro]

OK, I'll bite. Why did you feel the need to buy an assualt rifle when plenty of semi automatic pistols, revolvers and semi automatic rifles already existed? I'm not trying to be snarky (now), its a serious question.

 

[Go Bama]

I am not advocating confiscating weapons from gun owners, I am just trying to understand why people purchase assault rifles. As I said before, I understand ownership of hand guns, rifles, and shot guns, but assault weapons, I just don't know why or understand. Am I missing something?

Here is a reasonable answer to your question.

Why millions of Americans — including me — own the AR-15

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www.vox.com

 

[GrayTide]

13 shooting deaths since Ulvade, TX shooting.

Gun Violence Archive

www.gunviolencearchive.org

 

[crimsonaudio]

OK, I'll bite. Why did you feel the need to buy an assualt rifle when plenty of semi automatic pistols, revolvers and semi automatic rifles already existed? I'm not trying to be snarky (now), its a serious question.

Before I can answer, I need you to clarify the difference between an 'assault rifle' and a 'semi automatic rifle'.

 

[Chukker Veteran]

I’m still waiting on the justification for the general public to own them. What is a legitimate need that is worth the carnage they are used for?

I think everybody understands we are talking about modern weapons that shoot multiple bullets in a very short period of time. Many use what has almost become a generic name for them by calling them an assault rifle, while Earle has offered a more accurate way to refer to them.