More Problems @ Auburn

[kcin_4_BAMA]

This story continues to amaze me.......

The thing I don't understand is why Ears continues to "tout" their academic "excellence" and, as he puts it, their record the past 5 years. He continues to talk in the media about their graduation rate, APR, etc. as if these allegations have no bearing on those statistics. If you take these gimme classes, then your rates are going to go up based on these classes alone. And as far as their 5 year run goes, it's more like a 1 year aligning of the moon and stars than a 5 year dominance. Overall, their record the last 5 years is 46-17.......and that's with a 13-0 season (7-5, 9-4, 8-5, 13-0, 9-3) . For any auburn fans reading this, that's an average of 3.4 losses per year. Now I know that is much better than BAMA over the same stretch, but if you eliminate the 13-0, Ears is basically an 8-5 or 9-4 coach. He needs to stop the used car salesman act and hope and pray that BAMA implodes again or else his A#* is going to be brought down to earth QUICKLY.

RTR-stop the streak

 

[PointClearTider]

Tuberville must know more than everyone else though. He says that nothing will come of it and that it's not an athletic issue. According to Tuberville, all is fine and dandy on the plains.

Well that settles it nothing more here to talk about.:wink:

 

[BIGBAM]

Speaking of buster brown I wish he'd hurry up and publish
that dang book. He ain't getting any younger and I wanna
hear the facts before he looks just like his daddy. I also
would love to hear something from Bill Oliver. Boy I bet he
would have some good stories to tell too. Its coming up
on the 10th anniversary of lil Bowdens demise and book
promise so get with it.

 

[Bama323]

Well that settles it nothing more here to talk about.:wink:

Wingnut also made the statement the other day that Brandon Cox is the best QB in the country. I'll give wingnut credit for one thing, he can spew propaganda with the best of them. He continually reminds me of "Baghdad Bob."

 

[Bama323]

Tuberville: "If we've done anything wrong, let us know. We'll be sure to correct it."

 

[davefrat]

The real problem at Auburn is as transparent as it could be.

The problem with recruiting academically marginal students, who have no ability or desire to get a college education, is how do you keep them academically eligible until their playing eligibility expires?

Auburn found a way to make this happen. Just create classes that require no work or classroom attendence and then award an "A" to every participant.

Dumb and unmotivated players stay eligible to participate in football, APR goes through the roof and everybody's happy. No problem. RTR.

and the big loophole is that as long as the general student body is allowed to take these classes, the ncaa couldn't care less. so, create some numbscull class, offer it to everyone and make sure the athletes get priority in scheduling (which in many cases they do, and legitimately so, in order to make it possible for them all to be at practice, games, etc.).

hooray, so now the athletic departments are creating academic curriculae. thank you ncaa.

 

[Tradition4ever]

There is something I must be missing here...
An athlete is on scholarship, scholar being the key word there, and this athlete is required by the university and the NCAA to remain eligible gradewise, or he/she is not allowed to participate. Now, I'm assuming (I know, I shouldn't assume) that this rule is in place in order to promote academics throughout collegiate athletics, otherwise all you have is a minor league for the pros. How can it not be considered cheating if an institution just creates "fake" classes and steers athletes into these classes in order to keep them eligible? After all, if this is not cheating, why is there such an uproar when it is found out that some athletes had their assignments done for them by someone else? Which is worse, having a "tutor" do the work for the athlete, or not requiring the athlete to do any work at all?
Furthermore, I thought the NCAA was doing more to promote academics in athletics with this APR stuff? Does this APR crap not mean anything? If the NCAA threatens member institutions with scholarship penalties unless some level of APR score is met, how could they not penalize an institution that blatenely falsified its own APR score by basically giving athletes grades?

 

[Crimson323]

Well, while the Barn is busy adopting the UThug approach to teaching college students, they might as well borrow some of the classes too. Like "Walking" and "Stacking Chairs". Hey, lets throw "Home Ec" and "Recess" in for good measure.

 

[AlistarWills]

I hate to throw a cold shower on some of the bashing crew, but lets face it, all Universities have "gimme" courses. I work with a guy who's best friend took the Sociology course at awbarn, joined mid-term and made a B. He said he would have taken it too had he known about it. They are elective courses. Some professors "teach" them to meet a certain required number of courses taught, but send the TA to run the class while they "do research". I know many people who have taken weight lifting to boost their GPA. The instructor comes in, takes roll, and leaves you to "work out". If it were an athletes only course, the NCAA could do something about it. The fact that its open to all other students takes it out of the NCAA's hands. The athletics dept. just happens to know which courses these are and can let the athletes in on it. The only thing that can happen is for SACS to take away the schools accreditation or put them on probation again. At that point, I still don't know if it affects the athletics teams. Most likely if the accreditation is pulled, the athletes who are actually trying to get an education would leave.

 

[BAMAHD]

Dogs beat out Auburn for DE

Auburn's academic scandal, alleged or not, may have cost the Tigers their first football recruit.

One reason Jackson defensive end Neland Ball said he picked Georgia over Auburn this past weekend was because of the ongoing investigation into charges that a sociology professor gave good grades to athletes for little or no work.

"I felt bad for them," Ball said of the scandal. "And I just wasn't getting a good vibe."

 

[rolltide87]

I know that nearly all universities offer classes (such as PE or ballroom dancing) that are easy grades. However, if I understand the articles correctly, these were 400 level sociology courses. That means senior year core curriculum for a major.

 

[Bama323]

I hate to throw a cold shower on some of the bashing crew, but lets face it, all Universities have "gimme" courses. I work with a guy who's best friend took the Sociology course at awbarn, joined mid-term and made a B. He said he would have taken it too had he known about it. They are elective courses. Some professors "teach" them to meet a certain required number of courses taught, but send the TA to run the class while they "do research". I know many people who have taken weight lifting to boost their GPA. The instructor comes in, takes roll, and leaves you to "work out". If it were an athletes only course, the NCAA could do something about it. The fact that its open to all other students takes it out of the NCAA's hands. The athletics dept. just happens to know which courses these are and can let the athletes in on it. The only thing that can happen is for SACS to take away the schools accreditation or put them on probation again. At that point, I still don't know if it affects the athletics teams. Most likely if the accreditation is pulled, the athletes who are actually trying to get an education would leave.

This "everyone does it" excuse just don't cut it with me. I remember when we got put on probation and it was common knowledge that bidding on players was going on pretty much everywhere, but of course we were told that we were the ones under investigation and we were the ones that got caught. I say the same thing goes with Auburn. Whether or not this is going on anywhere else is not the issue. The barners got caught and it's their time to pay the piper. Plus, I don't believe this is going on everywhere. If it were, then everyone would have a high APR score. As far as I can tell, only Auburn is listed with the top 10% of APR scores in the country. They have a 48% graduation rate, yet somehow manage to top Vandy in the APR, who has an 88% graduation rate. Now, you tell me if something isn't wrong with that equation. If we are going to be ultimately judged by this APR score, then it is up to the NCAA, who created it, to make sure that schools aren't fraudulently fattening up the APR scores by letting athletes take crip courses to make sure they stay qualified while their in school. This situation stinks and the smell is coming directly from Lee County and no where else at the moment.

 

[AlistarWills]

Bama323, you're right. Awbarn should pay in some way for all this. Fact of the matter is the NCAA most likely, can't/won't do anything. If they punish awbarn, they'd have to go after a lot of schools. Some they prefer to leave alone. When the APR actually means something on the grand scheme of things...well, never mind, it never will. We all know that the 88% who graduated from Vandy will be a boss over anyone who graduated from the barn. Or at the very least, the barners will be cutting the Vandy grads grass.

 

[Bama323]

The NCAA is going to hear from alot of upset fans when their respective schools are hit with scholarship losses, yet schools like Auburn are enjoying the benefits of having high APR numbers, even though they've been cheating to get the numbers. This APR thing is the NCAAs baby. They better figure out how to make it fair and how to make sure the numbers are legitimate, or they are going to be getting hit with lawsuits from all directions.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

At the barn they don't teach atheletes how to use keyboards. They teach them how to plug them in.

Must be part of that custodial engineering program they have. I wonder if UT's chair stacking course would transfer?

 

[bamatex82]

...The only thing that can happen is for SACS to take away the schools accreditation or put them on probation again. At that point, I still don't know if it affects the athletics teams. Most likely if the accreditation is pulled, the athletes who are actually trying to get an education would leave.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if the school lacks accreditation they would, by NCAA definition, no longer be able to compete, right?:conf2:

 

[cbi1972]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if the school lacks accreditation they would, by NCAA definition, no longer be able to compete, right?:conf2:

Yes but it won't happen.

 

[bamabake]

Keyboarding??? My daughter took keyboarding in the 4th grade.

lol Pat

 

[Bama Reb]

Yes but it won't happen.

Ask yourself a question: If your child were attending a college (where you were paying for tuition, books, etc,.etc.) and for some reason the school lost it's accreditation, what would you do?
That said, I don't think it would be so much of being able to play in the conference as much as having a sufficient number of athletes remaining to field a team.

 

[LTBamaFan]

Well, while the Barn is busy adopting the UThug approach to teaching college students, they might as well borrow some of the classes too. Like "Walking" and "Stacking Chairs". Hey, lets throw "Home Ec" and "Recess" in for good measure.

I understand that next year, they are planning a new course; Underwater Fire Prevention.