He was the head coach at Alma Bryant before he came to Hoover.
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MTV's Two a days: Hoover
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He was the head coach at Alma Bryant before he came to Hoover.
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EXACTLY he might as well just be another coach...that was sad to see a chaplain who can have a great influence in these kids lives only talk about football
EXACTLY he might as well just be another coach...that was sad to see a chaplain who can have a great influence in these kids lives only talk about football
I've had to chuckle both of the times they showed that Chaplain. His priorities are a bit out of whack......
But when it counts in the playoffs, Hoover has killed them in the postseason both times(last year Hoover won 42-8)....I may not agree with Propst's language, but I wish we still had him at Ashville as he made that program what it is today....and let's all be careful not to be critical of Hoover. After all, they have set a standard of excellence that even a college like "The Barn" wishes they had....Remember people look at Hoover like they used to look at Bama and will soon again look at Bama
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That's so funny.
The team chaplain talking about glorifying God in one breath and then telling the kids to be aggressive and knock their opponents on their butts.
That's so funny.
The team chaplain talking about glorifying God in one breath and then telling the kids to be aggressive and knock their opponents on their butts.
I endured every indignity that a football player could endure:
- being yanked around by the facemask
- constant screaming and cursing
- endless spit from the latter
- being kicked around and being labeled every emasculative term under the sun
... and then when Dad got finished with me, my coach started on me. :biggrin:
However, I don't recall either of them ever telling me that working to move an oblong inflated rubber bladder covered with cowhide from one end of a 100-yard long grassy field to the other somehow glorified God.
- being yanked around by the facemask
- constant screaming and cursing
- endless spit from the latter
- being kicked around and being labeled every emasculative term under the sun
... and then when Dad got finished with me, my coach started on me. :biggrin:
However, I don't recall either of them ever telling me that working to move an oblong inflated rubber bladder covered with cowhide from one end of a 100-yard long grassy field to the other somehow glorified God.
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Terry Slay was my youth minister for about a year at 1st Baptist Opelika. To say he was a little fanatical about things would be an understatement. He was a little high strung for the Opelika crowd. He didn't last long and qucikly went off to a bigger church in B'ham
Terry Slay was my youth minister for about a year at 1st Baptist Opelika. To say he was a little fanatical about things would be an understatement. He was a little high strung for the Opelika crowd. He didn't last long and qucikly went off to a bigger church in B'ham
I think the majority (not all) of the backlash is coming from folks who did not play H.S. football so they just don't understand. Heck, one of my old coaches (he was an assistant when i played) got suspended and had to resign from his head coaching position a couple of years ago for grabbing a kid by the facemask and jerking him around. I played in the late 80's early 90's it was kind of standard procedure.
I can't help but get tickled when I watch this show because it just takes me back to those days.
In general, I don't have a problem with the way Propst deals with the players. The language and the "tough love" he shows is a part of football practices. (The chaplan was over the top, though.) But in the show about the Tuscaloosa County game where they lost, there were a couple of places where I he showed what an egomaniac jerk he is: First, when Ross Wilson was slammed to the ground, he was joking on the sideline about how that was the hardest he had ever heard someone's head hit the ground and wondering if Ross knew where he was at. He showed zero concern that Ross could have been seriously injured. Second, the threat to not recommend any players to any collleges as the result of one game was pointless. Let them know they didn't play up to expectation and Sunday was going to be a "come to Jesus" type practice is fine but the other issues were just him being a jerk, IMHO.
the chaplin just creeps me out. we didn't even have a team chaplin because "it was football" We went to church to get the preachin.
I don't see anything unfamiliar about his coaching style, young men are a little hard of hearing, you have to get in their face a bit. You have to remember that 98% of their brain is tied up thinking of sex.
I will say his statements where he threatened to blackball any of them from getting a college scholarship really painted him as a egomaniacle power freak, but since many of those kids moved into hoover to GET that schlarship perhaps thats like taking away pregame steak or something to the normal world.
I don't see anything unfamiliar about his coaching style, young men are a little hard of hearing, you have to get in their face a bit. You have to remember that 98% of their brain is tied up thinking of sex.
I will say his statements where he threatened to blackball any of them from getting a college scholarship really painted him as a egomaniacle power freak, but since many of those kids moved into hoover to GET that schlarship perhaps thats like taking away pregame steak or something to the normal world.
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I agree with some of the posts in here about other coaches being much tougher than Propst. I went through 4 different coaches in two different sports in 3 years and 3 out of the 4 would make Propst sound like an angel.
I too was an assistant for two years and slung the occasional cuss word but it was nothing the kids didnt mind. I can handle a coach cussing, but there are limits. Yelling at the team "yall f*&^%%$ suck" and "kid you are the dumbest s.o.b. alive" are two different things. I dont believe in degrading one kid and single him out but if you are talking to the team I was raised under anything goes. My favorite coach was the toughest coach we had.
I too was an assistant for two years and slung the occasional cuss word but it was nothing the kids didnt mind. I can handle a coach cussing, but there are limits. Yelling at the team "yall f*&^%%$ suck" and "kid you are the dumbest s.o.b. alive" are two different things. I dont believe in degrading one kid and single him out but if you are talking to the team I was raised under anything goes. My favorite coach was the toughest coach we had.
I have no problem with the way he talks to the players. I was talked to the same way. It didn't affect me any. It made me play harder. As a coach, you just have to learn which players that manner helps and which players it hurts.
Where I have the problem is the "we are the best" attitude, that occurs within the program. The way the preacher almost place football ahead of God. In all honesty, every sports chaplin I have seen has never prayed for the team to win, most just pray for safety, thanking God for the ability and opportunty to play the game, and helping us cope with the game in a Godly way.. The show also does not give the correct image of Hoover, if I were not familiar with it, I would think from the show that Hoover is a small upper class Alabama town, that exist around the Hoover football program. There has not once been one mention of the closeness to the city of Birmingham. There have been several little un-true tidbits. One of them being on the 1st show when Max Learner was waking up and turned on his radio and a so-called "disc-jockey" was talking about how big of a game(Neese) was going to be that weekend. Actually that didn't occur, that was the voice of Hoover's PA announcer doing a taped segment for the show, it was never broadcast over the radio. Also, on that episode they showed video of goal post being lifted at the met getting ready for the nease game. Looked good with the background of The Met in Hoover with the nice stands and box seats in the background. Actually see, this game was played at Hoover's Stadium at their school. (For those that don't know, Hoover has played at The Met(home of the Bham Barons) which is pretty much a few blocks from the school. And last, but not least, you never see them showing what a huge developement Hoover is as a suburb of Birmingham. They have never showed the Galleria, 280 area, or anything like that. Mostly all you see is small rundown shops with signs that say "Gone to the Game". I have never been to hoover on a Friday night and seen anything closed with a sign that read that. Now if you want to see passion for football, head to a place like Hazzlewood, Fayette County, TR Miller or one of the smaller towns in Alabama and watch a game, that is the atmosphere they are trying to present, win or loose, they support their progams with a passion far surpassing Hoover...And last but not least, if anyone watched the last show, it showed the colored guy at his house talking to his dad. The house was a small shotgun style house, honestly, I am pretty familiar with the area and I have never seen an area with houses as small as that. Makes me believe that this may be one of the guys they pull over the hill from Bessemer.. that's another subject.....
Anyhow, I really think this is hurting Hoover more than it is helping. I have no doubt Hoover has a fine program and is at the top of its league right now. But in saying that, this show puts a huge bulleye on Rush Prospt and the Hoover program. Right now, there is only one way to go and that is down. So when that does occur, there will be alot of people that enjoy watching arrogance, egos and success fall.
Now that would be a show that draws some attention...
Where I have the problem is the "we are the best" attitude, that occurs within the program. The way the preacher almost place football ahead of God. In all honesty, every sports chaplin I have seen has never prayed for the team to win, most just pray for safety, thanking God for the ability and opportunty to play the game, and helping us cope with the game in a Godly way.. The show also does not give the correct image of Hoover, if I were not familiar with it, I would think from the show that Hoover is a small upper class Alabama town, that exist around the Hoover football program. There has not once been one mention of the closeness to the city of Birmingham. There have been several little un-true tidbits. One of them being on the 1st show when Max Learner was waking up and turned on his radio and a so-called "disc-jockey" was talking about how big of a game(Neese) was going to be that weekend. Actually that didn't occur, that was the voice of Hoover's PA announcer doing a taped segment for the show, it was never broadcast over the radio. Also, on that episode they showed video of goal post being lifted at the met getting ready for the nease game. Looked good with the background of The Met in Hoover with the nice stands and box seats in the background. Actually see, this game was played at Hoover's Stadium at their school. (For those that don't know, Hoover has played at The Met(home of the Bham Barons) which is pretty much a few blocks from the school. And last, but not least, you never see them showing what a huge developement Hoover is as a suburb of Birmingham. They have never showed the Galleria, 280 area, or anything like that. Mostly all you see is small rundown shops with signs that say "Gone to the Game". I have never been to hoover on a Friday night and seen anything closed with a sign that read that. Now if you want to see passion for football, head to a place like Hazzlewood, Fayette County, TR Miller or one of the smaller towns in Alabama and watch a game, that is the atmosphere they are trying to present, win or loose, they support their progams with a passion far surpassing Hoover...And last but not least, if anyone watched the last show, it showed the colored guy at his house talking to his dad. The house was a small shotgun style house, honestly, I am pretty familiar with the area and I have never seen an area with houses as small as that. Makes me believe that this may be one of the guys they pull over the hill from Bessemer.. that's another subject.....
Anyhow, I really think this is hurting Hoover more than it is helping. I have no doubt Hoover has a fine program and is at the top of its league right now. But in saying that, this show puts a huge bulleye on Rush Prospt and the Hoover program. Right now, there is only one way to go and that is down. So when that does occur, there will be alot of people that enjoy watching arrogance, egos and success fall.
Now that would be a show that draws some attention...
I played on a state chapionship team way back in
the 80's and I can relate to alot of the way coach
Propst coaches, I'm not saying it is right, we just
thought it was tough love, but then again times were
different then, I can remember getting jerked around
by the face mask and unfortunatlly my position coach
dipped skoal and I would usually woud get a face full
when he would yell at me. But then again a face full
of skoal is a small price to pay for a state title.
the 80's and I can relate to alot of the way coach
Propst coaches, I'm not saying it is right, we just
thought it was tough love, but then again times were
different then, I can remember getting jerked around
by the face mask and unfortunatlly my position coach
dipped skoal and I would usually woud get a face full
when he would yell at me. But then again a face full
of skoal is a small price to pay for a state title.
Someone correct me if I heard this wrong, but a guy at work read in the Bham News that Alex, the star of the show was arrested this past summer for breaking into a car and is out on bond. If that is true, what kind of spin will MTV put on that at the end of the season? Did anyone else hear/read this or was it mentioned here already?
I live in Hoover and have friends that teach there and at other Hoover schools. I guess I just have never liked the "God" complex Propst has for himself because with all the talent floating around here, an average coach could win. Now could the average coach build the Dynasty they have, who knows. Having him tell his boys that "he is the ticket to their college career" was just wrong IMHO. I guess I would have liked to see more "coaching" at the half in the Tusc County versus his little tantrum.
I live in Hoover and have friends that teach there and at other Hoover schools. I guess I just have never liked the "God" complex Propst has for himself because with all the talent floating around here, an average coach could win. Now could the average coach build the Dynasty they have, who knows. Having him tell his boys that "he is the ticket to their college career" was just wrong IMHO. I guess I would have liked to see more "coaching" at the half in the Tusc County versus his little tantrum.
As a high school teacher, I can't believe that the Hoover City School Board approved MTV's idea to film this show. It seems to me that Hoover football is like sausage. You might like sausage, but you know that you won't like it as much once you know how it's made, so you prefer not to know. I'm sure a lot of Hoover fans would have preferred not to know what goes on behind the scenes that has now been brought to light by the ever fair and journalistic -
- eye of MTV.
First, what exactly did Hoover's football team have to gain from this show? Publicity? What kind of publicity could they possibly want that can't come from being the #1 team in the nation that already puts 16 year olds on national tv and travels to other states to play the top schools? Don't tell me that Hoover did this for the money, because compared to most school systems in this state, they aren't exactly hurting.
Second, why exactly did anyone trust people who would be filming for MTV? Every MTV reality show is the same. Real life is boring, but reality tv is exciting because people are edited into "characters" that only loosely resemble that person in real life. "The Real World" is based on finding the most embarassing footage of people possible and the kind of conflict that occurs when you put a homosexual, a fundamentalist Baptist, a Klan member, an Orthodox Jew and an Al Qaeda agent together in a jar and shake them. Have the school board members ever watched an MTV reality show?
As for the language, I agree that sometimes rough language can be appropriate to motivate people - adult people. There are times when I'd sure feel like telling students in my class to "Get off your a**" or "Shut the **** up" or "Your work is crap", but I won't do that because that's not how adults are supposed to interact with young people in their care.
I'm not even going into the fact that we already have a messed up perception of the relative values of academic acheivement and athletic achievement in our state. You say that "80,000 never showed up to watch a kid do a chemistry experiment?" Well that may be true, but without the actual academics that you learn in school none of those people would have the money to buy tickets, the knowledge to build that stadium or the functioning society necessary to put on the game in the first place.
- eye of MTV.First, what exactly did Hoover's football team have to gain from this show? Publicity? What kind of publicity could they possibly want that can't come from being the #1 team in the nation that already puts 16 year olds on national tv and travels to other states to play the top schools? Don't tell me that Hoover did this for the money, because compared to most school systems in this state, they aren't exactly hurting.
Second, why exactly did anyone trust people who would be filming for MTV? Every MTV reality show is the same. Real life is boring, but reality tv is exciting because people are edited into "characters" that only loosely resemble that person in real life. "The Real World" is based on finding the most embarassing footage of people possible and the kind of conflict that occurs when you put a homosexual, a fundamentalist Baptist, a Klan member, an Orthodox Jew and an Al Qaeda agent together in a jar and shake them. Have the school board members ever watched an MTV reality show?
As for the language, I agree that sometimes rough language can be appropriate to motivate people - adult people. There are times when I'd sure feel like telling students in my class to "Get off your a**" or "Shut the **** up" or "Your work is crap", but I won't do that because that's not how adults are supposed to interact with young people in their care.
I'm not even going into the fact that we already have a messed up perception of the relative values of academic acheivement and athletic achievement in our state. You say that "80,000 never showed up to watch a kid do a chemistry experiment?" Well that may be true, but without the actual academics that you learn in school none of those people would have the money to buy tickets, the knowledge to build that stadium or the functioning society necessary to put on the game in the first place.
yes, that is true, but it will not have any impact, the video was all shot during last year.
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