NCAA being jerks again (UGA related)

[BamaJeff]

ATHENS — A group of Georgia football fans took up a collection to pay for a Boise State player's father to fly from Baghdad to see his son play against the Bulldogs in Athens.

But the NCAA rule book got in the way.

"Ironically, by providing this money, these [Georgia] fans would in effect become Boise State boosters," said Amy Chisholm, UGA's assistant athletics director for compliance. The NCAA defines a booster as "a representative of an institution's athletics interests."

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/uga/0805/11gafans.html

 

[NYBamaFan]

So, so sad. Is anyone surprised?

 

[THE BAMA IRISHMAN]

The NCAA blows -- off

NCAA BLOWS OFF

Brand is not the person I thought he was. Having talk to him at the Indiana State HS football playoffs last season at the RCA dome (Guest Speaker). He says one thing (I care about all schools who have trouble with the NCAA and try to help) and does another (creating hardships out of nothing). OK I was wrong and admit it. I apologized to the board. The man is an idiot.


As far as the NCAA is concerned they had no comment today on the Georgia Players. My hats off to the Bulldog Players in doing something good. The hell with the NCAA.

 

[wisten]

NCAA are idiots, and their rediculous edicts could spell the death of them in the future.

 

[hawgtide]

T Martin Case

Someone please explain how this is different from the T Martin case, who admittedly got money from a lady who the NCAA declared not to be a booster therefore the "contribution" did not violate NCAA regs.

 

[NYBamaFan]

Myles Brand, NCAA President

This is America, where individuals and groups have the right to express how they feel about the way they are presented to the public.

Okay. They have expressed how they feel. Let's kill the stupid rule and move on.

Does anyone in America have the right to DICTATE how they are presented to the public?

 

[davefrat]

Someone please explain how this is different from the T Martin case, who admittedly got money from a lady who the NCAA declared not to be a booster therefore the "contribution" did not violate NCAA regs.

good point.

 

[tidefan23]

I read the article and I don't buy it nor do I understand it. How do the UGA fans become "representatives of an institution's athletics interests?" The money has nothing to do with either UGA's or BS's athletic interests. The compliance rep. may have been overly conservative on this one.

 

[bama579]

I read the article and I don't buy it nor do I understand it. How do the UGA fans become "representatives of an institution's athletics interests?" The money has nothing to do with either UGA's or BS's athletic interests. The compliance rep. may have been overly conservative on this one.

A compliance rep at a major university in the southeastern US, a university that has been in popped by the NCAA more than once in MY memory . . Who could blame that person for being conservative? It is the only play even close to smart.

Sometimes I find myself wondering which I loathe more, Al Queda or the NCAA.

 

[Mamacalled]

I had wondered about the Tee MArtin -Diane Sanford case as well. How can they justify that as being perfectly fine while this is a rules violation.
Another case that I would consider as relevent is the fundraiser that UT boosters held for Albert Means mother. Was that not very similar. It involved people with athletic interests raising money to keep a woman from being evicted. :mad2:

 

[tidefan23]

A compliance rep at a major university in the southeastern US, a university that has been in popped by the NCAA more than once in MY memory . . Who could blame that person for being conservative? It is the only play even close to smart.

Sometimes I find myself wondering which I loathe more, Al Queda or the NCAA.

Agreed, but I just want to understand the issue. Again, how do the UGA fans become representatives of an institution's athletic interests? By giving the money do they become representatives of BS? Of UGA? Does the fact that they are fans of UGA make them representatives of UGA's athletic interests? Is it just the fact that a monetary benefit will be bestowed on the athlete's family member? What if a non-fan (e.g., a church or charity) decided to fund the trip? What if the airline give the father free tickets? Does the airline become a representative of BS? What if the military (or whatever organization the father is affiliated with) decided to fly him home just to see the game and then back to Iraq? Is the military a representative of BS? Of UGA?

 

[Stephen323]

I think this UGA rep. is dead wrong on this one. Here is the applicable definition from the NCAA manual:

"6.4 RESPONSIBILITY FOR ACTIONS OF OUTSIDE ENTITIES
6.4.1 Independent Agencies or Organizations. An institution’s “responsibility” for the conduct of its
intercollegiate athletics program shall include responsibility for the acts of an independent agency, corporate
entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization when a member of the institution’s
executive or athletics administration, or an athletics department staff member, has knowledge that
such agency, corporate entity or other organization is promoting the institution’s intercollegiate athletics
program. (Revised: 2/16/00)
6.4.2 Representatives of Athletics Interests. An institution’s “responsibility” for the conduct of its
intercollegiate athletics program shall include responsibility for the acts of individuals, a corporate entity
(e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization when a member of the institution’s executive
or athletics administration or an athletics department staff member has knowledge or should have
knowledge that such an individual, corporate entity or other organization: (Revised: 2/16/00)
(a) Has participated in or is a member of an agency or organization as described in Constitution 6.4.1;
(b) Has made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of
that institution;
(c) Has been requested by the athletics department staff to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-
athletes or is assisting in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes;
(d) Has assisted or is assisting in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes; or
(e) Is otherwise involved in promoting the institution’s athletics program."

I do not see any part of this that the UGA fans would meet in regards to Boise State University, with whom they have no other contact.

 

[Big tide fan forever]

That is stupid. I hate the NCAA

 

[BostonTideFan]

Sometimes I find myself wondering which I loathe more, Al Queda or the NCAA.[/QUOTE]


I know I am pretty new to posting here, but that's gotta be one of the top five quotes of the year. haha.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

I read the article and I don't buy it nor do I understand it. How do the UGA fans become "representatives of an institution's athletics interests?" The money has nothing to do with either UGA's or BS's athletic interests. The compliance rep. may have been overly conservative on this one.

Gather 'round and I'll explain this. It is so very simple. The SEC! Had Ohio State or Michigan fans taken up the money it would have been perfectly legal with the NCAA. And that is the truth.

 

[bamahuey1]

Gather 'round and I'll explain this. It is so very simple. The SEC! Had Ohio State or Michigan fans taken up the money it would have been perfectly legal with the NCAA. And that is the truth.

It's sad, but I couldn't agree more. Maybe someday things will change.

 

[Alanbama27]

HawgTide: The difference in the T-Martin case is this...

The NCAA in all of its infinite wisdom decided that Diane was a family friend FIRST and not a booster of UT. Therefore for her to give T money (even though it was handled in a clandestined manner) was not a violation of NCAA rules.

I agree it's crap, but that was their explanation. Therefore, in this particular case, had one of the kids from UGA been a friend of the Boise State Player or his dad, it would not have been against NCAA rules. And if you believe that, I've got some swamp land in Oklahoma to sell you!

 

[tidefan23]

Another thought occurs to me, so what if the UGA fans go ahead and fund the trip? What consequences can occur? UGA or BS disassociates them? They weren't associated to begin with. What else?

 

[CrimsonChuck]

This gives me an idea! Why don't we take up a collection to pay for all of the parents of UT athletes to come to the Bama-Vols game this year?:biggrin2:

 

[jthomas666]

Someone please explain how this is different from the T Martin case, who admittedly got money from a lady who the NCAA declared not to be a booster therefore the "contribution" did not violate NCAA regs.

That's Tennessee. They have a different set of rules for them. Haven't you been paying attention? :cool2: