New healthcare thread (part II)

[selmaborntidefan]

But the pattern of selective enforcement by the NCAA goes all the way back to the Billy Brewer days.

Boy did you just trigger a memory.....

Let's face it, Ole Miss always thought they were Alabama until they had to play us every year. And it's no accident their slide from national champion contender to also-ran coincided with:
a) the arrival of Coach Bryant
b) the SEC making the schedule and having everyone play eventually
c) Ole Miss' steadfast refusal to integrate until way too late in the game

It's easy for me to say that Coach Bryant "took too long" to integrate the football team, but I wasn't the one in charge and given the powerhouse that followed with a huge collection of black players, I have to say he probably did it the best he could without tearing apart the fabric of the school. (Those who think he could have walked out there like Moses and said, "Let it be" are whistling Dixie if you'll excuse the expression).

Billy Brewer was from my quasi-hometown and a local legend in Columbus, MS. He played on those lily white good Ole Miss teams from 1957-60, and he learned how to whine about losing to Alabama with the best of them. I never paid much attention to Brewer, who had five good seasons by Ole Miss standards of the 80s and still got fired. But I forever loathed Brewer when he was quoted for attribution with this whiny comment that was the first of many people who have made me sick through the years:

Just the year before, Ole Miss coach Billy Brewer had accused him of being a snob and a liar, among other things. Sherrill cheats, Brewer said, in the fashion of "all those [Bear] Bryant boys like Charley Pell and Danny Ford."

Ah yes....the old "we could beat them, but we're pure and play for the love of the game, and they all pay players and cheat!" Ok, fine. But Brewer made this comment AFTER his team had already been socked with a probation under his watch in 1986. Brewer got away with it that time, the old "oh, the coach doesn't know what's going on."

But then - less than a year after his slimy comment about Coach Bryant - Brewer himself had his career ended by being found guilty by the NZAA of "unethical conduct" and hit him with a four-year show cause penalty. The actual NCAA phrase: "There was unethical conduct by a former (Ole Miss) head football coach (Brewer), who was found to show a continuing pattern of disregard for NCAA rules in the operation of the football program."

There's one thing everyone hates worse than a cheater, and it's a hypocrite like Billy Brewer, who's doing the same thing he's accusing others of doing.

Thing is......he was still 1-4 against Alabama and lucky he got to avoid us in 1984-87 and 1990-91, or he'd have been fired sooner for losing.

 

[Its On A Slab]

Boy did you just trigger a memory.....

Let's face it, Ole Miss always thought they were Alabama until they had to play us every year. And it's no accident their slide from national champion contender to also-ran coincided with:
a) the arrival of Coach Bryant
b) the SEC making the schedule and having everyone play eventually
c) Ole Miss' steadfast refusal to integrate until way too late in the game

It's easy for me to say that Coach Bryant "took too long" to integrate the football team, but I wasn't the one in charge and given the powerhouse that followed with a huge collection of black players, I have to say he probably did it the best he could without tearing apart the fabric of the school. (Those who think he could have walked out there like Moses and said, "Let it be" are whistling Dixie if you'll excuse the expression).

Billy Brewer was from my quasi-hometown and a local legend in Columbus, MS. He played on those lily white good Ole Miss teams from 1957-60, and he learned how to whine about losing to Alabama with the best of them. I never paid much attention to Brewer, who had five good seasons by Ole Miss standards of the 80s and still got fired. But I forever loathed Brewer when he was quoted for attribution with this whiny comment that was the first of many people who have made me sick through the years:

Just the year before, Ole Miss coach Billy Brewer had accused him of being a snob and a liar, among other things. Sherrill cheats, Brewer said, in the fashion of "all those [Bear] Bryant boys like Charley Pell and Danny Ford."

Ah yes....the old "we could beat them, but we're pure and play for the love of the game, and they all pay players and cheat!" Ok, fine. But Brewer made this comment AFTER his team had already been socked with a probation under his watch in 1986. Brewer got away with it that time, the old "oh, the coach doesn't know what's going on."

But then - less than a year after his slimy comment about Coach Bryant - Brewer himself had his career ended by being found guilty by the NZAA of "unethical conduct" and hit him with a four-year show cause penalty. The actual NCAA phrase: "There was unethical conduct by a former (Ole Miss) head football coach (Brewer), who was found to show a continuing pattern of disregard for NCAA rules in the operation of the football program."

There's one thing everyone hates worse than a cheater, and it's a hypocrite like Billy Brewer, who's doing the same thing he's accusing others of doing.

Thing is......he was still 1-4 against Alabama and lucky he got to avoid us in 1984-87 and 1990-91, or he'd have been fired sooner for losing.

Brewer got dinged for taking recruits to a strip joint.

One of the allegations against Freeze's Ole Miss program was an assistant coach allowing a recruit to sleep on his couch. It's a running joke among Ole Miss fans whenever another school gets dinged. "Hey, what color was the couch?"

Ole Miss's biggest obstacle since the end of Jim Crow was the Confederate symbols. It was a recruiting albatross - that still lingers a little bit even today, even though "Dixie" and the flag are gone. I spent a year in law school up there in 1982, and I was there when they named the 1st black cheerleader. I saw some really ugly stuff yelled from carloads of white folks at black students.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Brewer got dinged for taking recruits to a strip joint.

Yep.

My then family lived in NE Mississippi and the grandfather followed that story incessantly.

Ole Miss's biggest obstacle since the end of Jim Crow was the Confederate symbols. It was a recruiting albatross - that still lingers a little bit even today, even though "Dixie" and the flag are gone.

I've heard that claim - hell, my psych professor at NEMCC said it - but I've never bought it, at least not initially. I AGREE if what's being said is "they held onto that too long", but I don't think that initially was really the problem they had. I just think that is a convenient "after-the-fact" excuse for how lousy they were on the football field.

Let's face it: would Ole Miss REALLY have ever been a "national power" if they had not managed to go 31 years and face Alabama ONCE in all that time? They claim national titles for 1959, 1960, and 1962. In NONE of those years did they have to face Coach Bryant - and MAYBE they win in 1959, but does anyone REALLY believe they win those games if the teams meet in 1960 and 1962? Their glory days ended once they couldn't avoid playing Alabama any longer. The funny thing is, if you read the newspapers prior to the 1966 regular season game (as the two teams are having to play each other more often and we are having to play LSU), the implication is, "Now that these teams have to play each other, it's going to cost them all national titles."

The first problem was they have to face Coach Bryant. And the second problem was that they waited WAY TOO LONG to integrate the team and then only did so just enough to say "yeah, we let blacks play here now." By contrast, Mississippi State had snuck off the play in the NIT in 1963 (or around then anyway) and had a better reputation in state for black players. Then they got Emory Bellard, the inventor of the wishbone, and he went full bore recruiting blacks while Ole Miss held onto tokens.

I'm not denying the holding onto the "Old South" hurt them long-term, I just don't think they lost a bunch of black players they were recruiting "because of that flag." The problem wasn't black players avoiding the flag (until the late 80s or early 90s), it was the fact they weren't attempting to recruit black players beyond just enough to keep everyone off their backs.

I spent a year in law school up there in 1982, and I was there when they named the 1st black cheerleader. I saw some really ugly stuff yelled from carloads of white folks at black students.

I had a Music professor my senior year at university who was an Ole Miss grad and went to ALL of their games, home and road, unless the game was way across the country. In fact, he'd move classes up early Friday afternoon so he could get on the road for the ballgame. Hey, it was the south, none of us minded!

He told me what really soured him still on a bunch of the Ole Miss fans of his own team was that, yes, it was GOOD they were donating millions of dollars in the stands for Chuckie Mullins's medical bills and personal care - but these same folks would freely use racial epithets towards their own players minutes after praying and donating money, almost as if it was all white guilt ritual.

I recall him telling me, "A lot of them are trying to pretend they aren't racist because they gave money to take care of the black guy."

 

[Its On A Slab]

Yep.

My then family lived in NE Mississippi and the grandfather followed that story incessantly.




I've heard that claim - hell, my psych professor at NEMCC said it - but I've never bought it, at least not initially. I AGREE if what's being said is "they held onto that too long", but I don't think that initially was really the problem they had. I just think that is a convenient "after-the-fact" excuse for how lousy they were on the football field.

Let's face it: would Ole Miss REALLY have ever been a "national power" if they had not managed to go 31 years and face Alabama ONCE in all that time? They claim national titles for 1959, 1960, and 1962. In NONE of those years did they have to face Coach Bryant - and MAYBE they win in 1959, but does anyone REALLY believe they win those games if the teams meet in 1960 and 1962? Their glory days ended once they couldn't avoid playing Alabama any longer. The funny thing is, if you read the newspapers prior to the 1966 regular season game (as the two teams are having to play each other more often and we are having to play LSU), the implication is, "Now that these teams have to play each other, it's going to cost them all national titles."

The first problem was they have to face Coach Bryant. And the second problem was that they waited WAY TOO LONG to integrate the team and then only did so just enough to say "yeah, we let blacks play here now." By contrast, Mississippi State had snuck off the play in the NIT in 1963 (or around then anyway) and had a better reputation in state for black players. Then they got Emory Bellard, the inventor of the wishbone, and he went full bore recruiting blacks while Ole Miss held onto tokens.

I'm not denying the holding onto the "Old South" hurt them long-term, I just don't think they lost a bunch of black players they were recruiting "because of that flag." The problem wasn't black players avoiding the flag (until the late 80s or early 90s), it was the fact they weren't attempting to recruit black players beyond just enough to keep everyone off their backs.




I had a Music professor my senior year at university who was an Ole Miss grad and went to ALL of their games, home and road, unless the game was way across the country. In fact, he'd move classes up early Friday afternoon so he could get on the road for the ballgame. Hey, it was the south, none of us minded!

He told me what really soured him still on a bunch of the Ole Miss fans of his own team was that, yes, it was GOOD they were donating millions of dollars in the stands for Chuckie Mullins's medical bills and personal care - but these same folks would freely use racial epithets towards their own players minutes after praying and donating money, almost as if it was all white guilt ritual.

I recall him telling me, "A lot of them are trying to pretend they aren't racist because they gave money to take care of the black guy."

I think every fan base has/had them.

I can still hear the sing-song yelling from a drunk Cajun LSU fan sitting behind me at an LSU slaughter: "Our (N-words) Are Bettuh Than Yo (N-words)"!

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I think every fan base has/had them.

I can still hear the sing-song yelling from a drunk Cajun LSU fan sitting behind me at an LSU slaughter: "Our (N-words) Are Bettuh Than Yo (N-words)"!

Let's be clear, the worst fans at a CFB game I've ever seen were drunk Crimson Tide fan rednecks whom I wanted to personally kill as painfully as possible.

Don't make fun of a fan of another school as if your team is an extension of your body.
LET THEM have a pleasant experience at BDS even if their team loses.

The only thing that has ever really irked me is the pretentiousness of Northerners, who somehow think racism magically ends at the Mason-Dixon line...and every racist who lives up north is only racist because that person (or his family) is from down south. Go look at their state populations:

WHITE PEOPLE PERCENTAGE
Maine - 90% (1.2% black)
New Hampshire - 88.5% (2% black)
Vermont - 91% (1.7% black)
Connecticut - 63% (10% black - but most of this is because CT is cheaper than NYC)
Rhode Island - 69.2% (6.6% black)

Yeah, Massachusetts is a melting pot thanks to the schools in Boston, but Bill Russell wasn't exactly treated like royalty and even in recent years there have been "N" words uttered loudly at Fenway Park.

And let me be clear: I heard as many racist comments (per capita) in my nine months in New England as I heard in YEARS in the southern USA. They rarely use "the" word, but they still stereotype. But they get absolution: since they voted for Obama, they get a free pass. And they all assumed me being from Alabama that I'd use "that word" every other phrase, and their view of the Civil War is....amusing and self-serving to put it mildly.

 

[Its On A Slab]

Let's be clear, the worst fans at a CFB game I've ever seen were drunk Crimson Tide fan rednecks whom I wanted to personally kill as painfully as possible.

Don't make fun of a fan of another school as if your team is an extension of your body.
LET THEM have a pleasant experience at BDS even if their team loses.

The only thing that has ever really irked me is the pretentiousness of Northerners, who somehow think racism magically ends at the Mason-Dixon line...and every racist who lives up north is only racist because that person (or his family) is from down south. Go look at their state populations:

WHITE PEOPLE PERCENTAGE
Maine - 90% (1.2% black)
New Hampshire - 88.5% (2% black)
Vermont - 91% (1.7% black)
Connecticut - 63% (10% black - but most of this is because CT is cheaper than NYC)
Rhode Island - 69.2% (6.6% black)

Yeah, Massachusetts is a melting pot thanks to the schools in Boston, but Bill Russell wasn't exactly treated like royalty and even in recent years there have been "N" words uttered loudly at Fenway Park.

And let me be clear: I heard as many racist comments (per capita) in my nine months in New England as I heard in YEARS in the southern USA. They rarely use "the" word, but they still stereotype. But they get absolution: since they voted for Obama, they get a free pass. And they all assumed me being from Alabama that I'd use "that word" every other phrase, and their view of the Civil War is....amusing and self-serving to put it mildly.

When I worked for Merck in Omaha, there was one African-American working in our sales department.

One day, they were moving inventory and i heard another guy joke to him, "Ron, you're running like a runaway slave!"

A few minutes later, I told him, "Jon, I'm from Mississippi. If you ever said something like that down there you'd just as soon get your ass kicked."

 

[CrimsonJazz]

What do you guys think about putting warning labels on junk food, like we do with cigarettes? I don't really believe they are necessary, but people still afford them a talisman-like quality for warding away bad decisions. (I mean, honestly, if you're suing the tobacco company after 40 years of smoking and you say that you didn't know it was bad for you, you are lying through that hole in your trachea.)

Still, the collective IQ of this country continues to drop a point or two every decade, so maybe they are actually needed. In any case, perhaps it's time to start including warnings about processed food. I remember the Snackwells days when everybody thought fat was the enemy, so we starting buying up low-fat foods that had a sugar content that was out of this world. If these items contained a warning that sugar is worse for you than fat, it might have helped a lot of people make better decisions.

You might be asking yourself why they need that when the nutrition label is plainly visible. I had the same question, but there seems to be a difference is seeing "Sugar.......55g" versus the clear message WARNING: excess use of this product can result in weight gain, high blood sugar for diabetics, heart disease, liver disease and tooth decay. This product is also highly addictive. What say ye?

 

[Bamabuzzard]

What do you guys think about putting warning labels on junk food, like we do with cigarettes? I don't really believe they are necessary, but people still afford them a talisman-like quality for warding away bad decisions. (I mean, honestly, if you're suing the tobacco company after 40 years of smoking and you say that you didn't know it was bad for you, you are lying through that hole in your trachea.)

Still, the collective IQ of this country continues to drop a point or two every decade, so maybe they are actually needed. In any case, perhaps it's time to start including warnings about processed food. I remember the Snackwells days when everybody thought fat was the enemy, so we starting buying up low-fat foods that had a sugar content that was out of this world. If these items contained a warning that sugar is worse for you than fat, it might have helped a lot of people make better decisions.

You might be asking yourself why they need that when the nutrition label is plainly visible. I had the same question, but there seems to be a difference is seeing "Sugar.......55g" versus the clear message WARNING: excess use of this product can result in weight gain, high blood sugar for diabetics, heart disease, liver disease and tooth decay. This product is also highly addictive. What say ye?

I would venture to say that most people buying that type of food already know it's bad for them. Much like cigarettes, they've put warning lables on them, put the science out and yet A LOT of people still buy them. They know it's bad for them.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I would venture to say that most people buying that type of food already know it's bad for them. Much like cigarettes, they've put warning lables on them, put the science out and yet A LOT of people still buy them. They know it's bad for them.

A former barber of mine was a chain smoker. His shop was in a HH medical mall, so he even had to trek outside to smoke. After his first MI, he started raging against tobacco companies. I interrupted and told him I'd stopped in January, 1964, when the Surgeon General's report came out that smoking caused MIs and cancer. I asked how he missed that news. (This was in the 1990s.) All he could do was splutter. I frankly don't understand that mind process at all. He was not a dumb person, either...

 

[crimsonaudio]

A former barber of mine was a chain smoker. His shop was in a HH medical mall, so he even had to trek outside to smoke. After his first MI, he started raging against tobacco companies. I interrupted and told him I'd stopped in January, 1964, when the Surgeon General's report came out that smoking caused MIs and cancer. I asked how he missed that news. (This was in the 1990s.) All he could do was splutter. I frankly don't understand that mind process at all. He was not a dumb person, either...

Heck, how many relatively intelligent morbidly obese people do you know? I know quite a few. They're 100% aware that they're making unhealthy choices yet continue to do so.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Heck, how many relatively intelligent morbidly obese people do you know? I know quite a few. They're 100% aware that they're making unhealthy choices yet continue to do so.

Like many smokers, this guy was thin as a whippet...

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Like many smokers, this guy was thin as a whippet...

Isn't nicotine an appetite suppressant? A lot of housewives in the 50's sure thought so.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Isn't nicotine an appetite suppressant? A lot of housewives in the 50's sure thought so.

Years ago, I read that smokers gain an average of 10% of body weight when they quit...

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Years ago, I read that smokers gain an average of 10% of body weight when they quit...

Oh, I can totally believe that. I enjoyed quitting smoking so much, I wound up doing it multiple times before finally kicking the habit for good and yes, I put on some weight every single time. Hostess Fruit Pies might not have been the best substitute I could find, but they certainly were the most delicious.

 

[oskie]

Oh, I can totally believe that. I enjoyed quitting smoking so much, I wound up doing it multiple times before finally kicking the habit for good and yes, I put on some weight every single time. Hostess Fruit Pies might not have been the best substitute I could find, but they certainly were the most delicious.

... yeah, when you extrapolate a two-pack-a-day habit to Hostess Fruit Pies, you're in trouble from the get-go.
.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

... yeah, when you extrapolate a two-pack-a-day habit to Hostess Fruit Pies, you're in trouble from the get-go.
.

 

[jthomas666]

I would venture to say that most people buying that type of food already know it's bad for them. Much like cigarettes, they've put warning lables on them, put the science out and yet A LOT of people still buy them. They know it's bad for them.

Aggressive advertising trumps a small warning box.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I didn't want to start a new thread so I'll put it here......

2 dead, 58 sick from Harlem Legionnaires’ disease cluster – NBC New York

 

[Its On A Slab]

The sad part about warning labels is that people who really need to heed the advice choose not to. Especially in Gen Z and later. They seem to have no concept of long-term consequences.

My 17 year old. She turns her nose up at any healthy meal, opting for fried fast food, ice cream, cakes, etc. Like the generation itself, it's YOLO(You only live once.). When studies are now showing that these poor choices are going to have long-term consequences(cardiac disease, diabetes, etc).

 

[AWRTR]

The sad part about warning labels is that people who really need to heed the advice choose not to. Especially in Gen Z and later. They seem to have no concept of long-term consequences.

My 17 year old. She turns her nose up at any healthy meal, opting for fried fast food, ice cream, cakes, etc. Like the generation itself, it's YOLO(You only live once.). When studies are now showing that these poor choices are going to have long-term consequences(cardiac disease, diabetes, etc).

My little girl is 10, and we have been battling with her as well. She wants to eat every processed sugar loaded thing in sight. We are making headway and getting her to make better choices in food selection. It's probably easier to do that with a 10 year old than a 17 year old, but you are spot on with the repercussions.