North Korea

They are like a petulant little child that just so happens to have crude nuclear technology... Whenever they get their undies in a twist over something we do with South Korea, they issue the same threats over and over.

Still, Kim Jong-Il has probably experienced diminished mental capacity after the rumored stroke he had, and it's been said he's trying to groom one of his sons to take over. Many have theorized that these threats are to get his generals in line to be loyal to his son whenever a transfer of power takes place.
 
do they possess the ability to back up the threats ... i know they have threatened to have the capability to attack CA with missles ... evidently that was false ... exactly what could they do?
 
do they possess the ability to back up the threats ... i know they have threatened to have the capability to attack CA with missles ... evidently that was false ... exactly what could they do?

What could they do?

They could start a seriously bloody battle with South Korea... but they don't have the capability of reaching the US. Even though China aides them at times, I do not see the Chinese allowing North Korea to destabilize the area... especially since we'd immediately assist South Korea, and the Russians wouldn't be too thrilled as well.
 
so they are pretty much mouth right now ... i guess its all posturing for Ills son .... i just get tired of us spending so much of our time and money to get them to shut the h*ll up ... thanks for the info
 
Lets just ask the question, what would we do if they did use a nuclear bomb on our navy? Just say sorry and head back home or bomb them to hell? I say bomb them to hell so the next one would thank twice. If china is really concerned they should put the pressure on north korea to shutup.
 
do they possess the ability to back up the threats ... i know they have threatened to have the capability to attack CA with missles ... evidently that was false ... exactly what could they do?

It is speculated that North Korea does indeed possess a nuclear capability. But most analysts feel that they do not yet have a delivery vehicle suitable for a nuclear strike on the United States. Variations of the Taepodong-2 missile, according to Wikipedia and other sources, are thought to be able to reach Alaska. But the configuration enabling that range would not allow for anything other than a small-yield conventional payload. The only known test of a missile thought to have the range to reach CA resulted in failure in 2009.

It is widely agreed however, that NK does possess a short-range nuclear capability, with a reach at least including South Korea and possibly Japan. So do they possess the ability to back up threats? Yes, they can strike American interests in the region. Would they? No:

a) North Korea would have to be stupid to do such a thing - it would immediately result in an American retaliation that would permanently eliminate North Korea from the planet. Neither China nor Russia would, under the circumstances of North Korea's hypothetical first strike, be in a political position for nuclear retaliation against us. Kim Jong-Il may be eccentric and a bit crazy, but he's not stupid. More importantly, his top aids and generals aren't crazy or stupid, and I don't believe they would permit a first strike nuclear attack against the US.

b) North Korea and Kim Jong-Il have a LONG history of wild, over the top, blustery threats and saber-rattling. He is merely trying to be acknowledged as a player in the international community. "Supreme Leader" has an ego-issue and delusions of grandeur - international recognition means he's a world player and feeds his hungry self image.

c) He's also using these threats as propaganda for his own people. You have to understand that the people of North Korea have literally NO outside information or information not given to them by the government of North Korea. If the people are told that the United States and the Republic of Korea backed down to "Supreme Leader's" threats, they will believe it. This would bolster the regime's standing and grip on national power. How would the people know if the US and ROK conducted their exercise, if they weren't told by the North Korean government?

Truth be known, China can't stand North Korea either and only keeps them around as a buffer-zone between themselves and the more westernized (and capitalized) South. In my opinion, this is also a big reason why they intervened in the Korean War. They knew we wouldn't push into China as that would have drawn the USSR into the war more forcefully. The cold world war would have become a hot WWIII. China wanted to maintain the Korean buffer. So how's it feel, Kim - to be expendable cannon fodder for the Chinese?
 
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It is speculated that North Korea does indeed possess a nuclear capability. But most analysts feel that they do not yet have a delivery vehicle suitable for a nuclear strike on the United States. Variations of the Taepodong-2 missile, according to Wikipedia and other sources, are thought to be able to reach Alaska. But the configuration enabling that range would not allow for anything other than a small-yield conventional payload. The only known test of a missile thought to have the range to reach CA resulted in failure in 2009.

It is widely agreed however, that NK does possess a short-range nuclear capability, with a reach at least including South Korea and possibly Japan. So do they possess the ability to back up threats? Yes, they can strike American interests in the region. Would they? No:

a) North Korea would have to be stupid to do such a thing - it would immediately result in an American retaliation that would permanently eliminate North Korea from the planet. Neither China nor Russia would, under the circumstances of North Korea's hypothetical first strike, be in a political position for nuclear retaliation against us. Kim Jong-Il may be eccentric and a bit crazy, but he's not stupid. More importantly, his top aids and generals aren't crazy or stupid, and I don't believe they would permit a first strike nuclear attack against the US.

b) North Korea and Kim Jong-Il have a LONG history of wild, over the top, blustery threats and saber-rattling. He is merely trying to be acknowledged as a player in the international community. "Supreme Leader" has an ego-issue and delusions of grandeur - international recognition means he's a world player and feeds his hungry self image.

c) He's also using these threats as propaganda for his own people. You have to understand that the people of North Korea have literally NO outside information or information not given to them by the government of North Korea. If the people are told that the United States and the Republic of Korea backed down to "Supreme Leader's" threats, they will believe it. This would bolster the regime's standing and grip on national power. How would the people know if the US and ROK conducted their exercise, if they weren't told by the North Korean government?

Truth be known, China can't stand North Korea either and only keeps them around as a buffer-zone between themselves and the more westernized (and capitalized) South. In my opinion, this is also a big reason why they intervened in the Korean War. They knew we wouldn't push into China as that would have drawn the USSR into the war more forcefully. The cold world war would have become a hot WWIII. China wanted to maintain the Korean buffer. So how's it feel, Kim - to be expendable cannon fodder for the Chinese?

Great post, but did you consider who we currently have in the White House? :rolleye2:
 
Great post, but did you consider who we currently have in the White House? :rolleye2:

I tend to agree with you there, Tommy. At one point in the '08 campaign, Obama vowed to remove the nuclear option off the table under any circumstance. Hopefully, he has since been schooled on the realities and has altered his position.

The ineptness of his foreign policy abilities would point to a prayer that nothing like this faces him before he's voted out.
 
Great post, but did you consider who we currently have in the White House? :rolleye2:

Yes, I agree that we project "a decidedly capitulatory tone" in our foreign policy, euphemistically speaking. Of course, this all by itself emboldens regimes like Kim Jung-Il's to test our steel. I'd like to think however that Obama has been appropriately schooled, as VJ put it, about the necessities of assured and decisive retaliation. I'd also like to think that if push came to shove, knowledgeable leadership would make him see the light in plain, clear, non-sugarcoated terms.
 
Truth be known, China can't stand North Korea either and only keeps them around as a buffer-zone between themselves and the more westernized (and capitalized) South. In my opinion, this is also a big reason why they intervened in the Korean War. They knew we wouldn't push into China as that would have drawn the USSR into the war more forcefully. The cold world war would have become a hot WWIII. China wanted to maintain the Korean buffer. So how's it feel, Kim - to be expendable cannon fodder for the Chinese?

IOW, Kim Jong Il is little more than one of China's "useful idiots".

IMO, I don't think they'll ever reach US shores with their warheads. We have the capability of intercepting and destroying any missiles headed our way. They might reach South Korea or Japan, or another of our Asian allies though.
That would trigger a massive retaliation on our part, that is if our present administration has the stones to carry it out.
I doubt that China would intervene in such a scenario. IMO they would sit back and let us turn NK into cinders before risking an all out nuclear exchange with us. That would quickly escalate into WW3, in which we all know there would be no winners, only losers.
 
i guess the next question would be "why have we not removed kim through our 'black ops' methods?"

the successor would be a bigger threat?
 
that last question gave my son an idea for another question that I found interesting ..... could we get to him if we wanted to? ..... are there people that are just too hard for us to get to? who would those people be?
 
i guess the next question would be "why have we not removed kim through our 'black ops' methods?"

the successor would be a bigger threat?

That's a good question. The easy answer is that it's illegal as per executive orders 11905 (Ford), 12036 (Carter) and 12333 (Reagan).

The more important answer is likely that it's incredibly difficult if not impossible to quietly and stealthily penetrate the multi-layered militaristic defenses of the North Korean regime in order to gain access to the guy. North Korea is perhaps the most militarized country in the world. Running a black op with the objective to take out that particular head of state may be the most difficult black op imaginable.

And it is very possible that he would be replaced by someone even worse. North Korea has such a stranglehold on the information available to its people, that the people by and large truly believe that we eat babies. State propaganda and coercion has been extremely successful.

It's not like some other regimes in the world where there is at least some internal desire for an end to the regime (Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, etc). In North Korea, they worship "Supreme Leader", and believe Americans are the devil incarnate. I'm not sure assassinating him would result in an improvement. Getting those people educated and securing them access to external information on the other hand, might help them to understand that they've been enslaved.
 
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yeah I knew it was "illegal" and therefore would NEVER happen ;)

i figured his protection would be multilayered and difficult to penetrate and may well be a suicide mission (of course many of those probably are) .... education of the NK people would be so hard .... so brainwashed ... makes you wonder what it would be like to live in that situation .... i dont wanna find out though.

I think eventually he or his son will .... off china to the point they will take him out of power .... lord knows what happens then
 
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