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Now here's a painful one...

Do we win the game if the pick-six does not bounce off Najee's elbow into the belly of a defender who isnt even looking for the ball?

It does not take swapping quarterbacks to win this game. It takes almost anything. A blade of grass lying a different way, a breath of wind. I don't tear myself up with might-have-beens.

Jalen did the right thing and bless him for the extra year he gave. Actually he still has a chance at a championship run.
 
Even with all the weird stuff and penalties and pick 6's and missed field goal... we would have won this game if played in T'town.

I think Mac did fine except for the interceptions, but I don't think Jalen would have been able to make some of those throws. He would have been able to run some though, so who knows. Maybe OU will make the playoffs or beat UGA in the Sugar Bowl. That would be great to watch him beat UGA. And, he will be invited to the Heisman. He won't win it but at least he will get the experience like Tua did. Would be nice for Tua to be invited as a nice gesture, but I doubt that happens.
 
trenda said:
Do we think QB play is the reason we lost???

I don't. Maybe if Jalen played at ILB or DB . . .
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It's a decent question to consider, especially on a Alabama football discussion board.

I haven't seen one person contend Mac Jones is THE reason we lost. But his two "bad" throws were at minimum a 14 point swing (and more than likely 17 or 21).

We can "gripe" about the bad bounce off Najee's elbow, but MJ should have never thrown it 2 feet behind him on the defender's side. The "miss" on that throw was to throw it where Najee could only catch it or to throw it away or to take the sack with the defender in his face. I get it that MJ was trying to make a play, but he's an upper classmen now, and that was a critical mistake when the next play is still going to be 2nd and goal.

The other pick 6 was thrown 10 feet over JJ's head.

So yes, if we are making a list of things that got us beat (and there were a bunch of them), the two bad throws from MJ are the most critical.

To his credit, he bounced back from each of these and made some great throws which give us reasons to believe in such a great test, without tons of experience, he's probably at worst an AJM type quarterback for the future.
 
If you could only change one play - the second INT - Alabama wins going away. Mac was under heavy pressure when he made that pass. He should have thrown it away. He didn't. That is on him. And that play opened Pandora's box.

But what came after is not on him.
 
B1GTide said:
If you could only change one play - the second INT - Alabama wins going away. Mac was under heavy pressure when he made that pass. He should have thrown it away. He didn't. That is on him. And that play opened Pandora's box.

But what came after is not on him.
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Totally agree. More experience would have had him throw it away, I believe. The crazy thing is, if that ball is two feet to the right, it is likely hitting Najee in stride. And then we're all talking about what an incredible throw it was under that kind of pressure. Game of inches for sure.
 
Yes, hopefully he doesn't throw two pick sixes. FWIW, we probably win last years NC also if he comes in for the 2nd half and he probably doesn't transfer.
 
Does Bama win with Jalen under center? Not with what we have going on in the front 7....and Jalen still can't throw to a WR unless he's already open. Yes, he can run, but Auburn shut that down in 2017, Jalen had no answer. Against a decent defense that kind of QB can be contained mostly.

But.....we had 13 penalties, terrible officiating, 2 pick 6's (that Jalen may have thrown as well), and a defense that gave up 34 points to a terrible offense. With that D and a QB that couldn't make throws, we lose by two scores...probably something like 30+ to maybe we get to the low 20's.

Mac played well, except for those 2 interceptions that were absolute back breakers. Oh what could have been if he just throws that ball away instead of hitting Najee in the back....we go up 38-30 and very likely pull out the win.

This team....the boys need to grow up some and have more focus and stop making so many bonehead mistakes that quite frankly cost Bama both games and caused them to have some of the worst Saban Bama football we've seen. Remove the penalties or even just half the penalties and Bama wins....get back to causing turnovers instead of committing them and Bama wins....man up and go out on the field to make the other team quit instead of just going out there and believing because you've got a Bama jersey on that you'll just win and Bama wins.
 
Bamaro said:
Yes, hopefully he doesn't throw two pick sixes. FWIW, we probably win last years NC also if he comes in for the 2nd half and he probably doesn't transfer.
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Bama wasn't going to win that Clemson game with another QB. There wasn't just a QB problem in that game, that was a team wide issue...they looked slower than Clemson....Clemson looked like they had more hustle and want to. Jalen wouldn't have cured that....and that NFL DL that Clemson had would have contained Jalen's running for the most part.
 
Cruloc said:
Bama wasn't going to win that Clemson game with another QB. There wasn't just a QB problem in that game, that was a team wide issue...they looked slower than Clemson....Clemson looked like they had more hustle and want to. Jalen wouldn't have cured that....and that NFL DL that Clemson had would have contained Jalen's running for the most part.
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I just can't see Jalen bringing us back from that 31-16 halftime deficit against Clemson. Doing it against Baylor is one thing. Baylor is no Clemson (last year's version, anyway).
 
We don’t win with Jalen at Jordan Hare. Move the game to a neutral field and BAMA wipes the floor with them.
 
Cruloc said:
Bama wasn't going to win that Clemson game with another QB. There wasn't just a QB problem in that game, that was a team wide issue...they looked slower than Clemson....Clemson looked like they had more hustle and want to. Jalen wouldn't have cured that....and that NFL DL that Clemson had would have contained Jalen's running for the most part.
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31 - 16 at the half and we were held scoreless in the 2nd half.
 
BamaMoon said:
It's a decent question to consider, especially on a Alabama football discussion board.

I haven't seen one person contend Mac Jones is THE reason we lost. But his two "bad" throws were at minimum a 14 point swing (and more than likely 17 or 21).

We can "gripe" about the bad bounce off Najee's elbow, but MJ should have never thrown it 2 feet behind him on the defender's side. The "miss" on that throw was to throw it where Najee could only catch it or to throw it away or to take the sack with the defender in his face. I get it that MJ was trying to make a play, but he's an upper classmen now, and that was a critical mistake when the next play is still going to be 2nd and goal.

The other pick 6 was thrown 10 feet over JJ's head.

So yes, if we are making a list of things that got us beat (and there were a bunch of them), the two bad throws from MJ are the most critical.

To his credit, he bounced back from each of these and made some great throws which give us reasons to believe in such a great test, without tons of experience, he's probably at worst an AJM type quarterback for the future.
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Lots of stuff went wrong, including two pick sixes. That's hard to overcome. I had no problem going to Nagee on the second pick six, but I would have just handed it to him. He was already running wild.
 
I will say this, having Jalen as our QB inside the auburn 10 would have increased our chances to score TDs on the 2nd pick 6 and the attempted fg to tie the game.
how many times did we witnessed Jalen with the successful QB keeper while he was here??
that's one huge element Jalen brought to the table as our previous QB.
 
Krymsonman said:
Lots of stuff went wrong, including two pick sixes. That's hard to overcome. I had no problem going to Nagee on the second pick six, but I would have just handed it to him. He was already running wild.
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It was 1st and goal from the 2, and the odds of scoring a TD via the pass increase if you try passing on 1st down vs any other down in that situation. That play call was as safe as a run (though I also wish you had just run it).

Mac had one receiver on the play. Everyone else was eye candy. If it isn't there, you throw it away. One read, one decision - try the pass or throw it away. He had a defender in his face and could not even see Najee to make a read. He threw the pass anyway. It was a horrible decision.

Again, lots of stuff happened after that play, but that swing in momentum was all on Mac.
 
sanjosecrimson said:
I will say this, having Jalen as our QB inside the auburn 10 would have increased our chances to score TDs on the 2nd pick 6 and the attempted fg to tie the game.
how many times did we witnessed Jalen with the successful QB keeper while he was here??
that's one huge element Jalen brought to the table as our previous QB.
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Agree that Jalen in short-yardage situations would have been great and on that particular play, Jalen would have had a better than average chance to break the tackle and run it in.

But, in terms of straight up arm talent I think right now in their careers MJ is better. Not sure I'd say that if Jalen would have remained at Bama under the watchful eye of CNS this year.
 
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