Obama halts prosecution of USS Cole Bomber

[RamJamHam]

This is starting to get funny - in a sad way. :frown:

Just so I understand you correctly, you are seriously contending that the President of the United States, who regularly attends a Christian church here in the District, (1) hates the United States of America and (2) is Muslim?

It is sad. Are you still in law school?

If you will go back and read my post, you will see that I didn't contend, seriously or otherwise, anything. I simply challenged a poster to defend his position instead of merely ridiculing another's. In fact, one could look at my post as an invitation to debunk with facts rather than childish retorts if one so desired.

Once again, if these things are as obvious as you say they are, it should be absolutely no problem to post links disproving the theories put forth about the President. I'm just now coming back to this thread, so it will be interesting to see if anyone ever presented any facts to refute these arguments.

 

[RamJamHam]

Go 1 post higher in the response chain, mon professeur. You'll see where I clearly stated points 1 and 2 and was subsequently asked to defend them. Additionally, point 1 was repeated in RJH's last sentence.

I said I would be interested to see how you would defend your stance on these two issues, and particularly the anti-American claim. Which of course you still have yet to do.

Apparently I have not been clear that I really want to know what you think about these two issues and how you got there. I already know you think it is ridiculous to even question the points, but I would like to know how you got to that place with respect to these matters.

 

[jthomas666]

To put all this together, and to reinforce my opinion that Obama is Muslim, not Christian, just answer the following question:

Why do you think it is that:
Obama chooses to continuously promote the Muslim religion; hosts dozens of Muslim religious leaders at the White House to celebrate Ramadan; hosts Ramadan dinner at the White House (09/01/09) and probably will again this year; yet at the same time refuses to participate in the National Day of Prayer two years in a row? Are those the actions of a Christian, or a Muslim?

Just a simple question begging a simple answer. :biggrin2:

Well, it certainly couldn't be anything as simple as attempting to counter rabid anti-Muslim rhetoric. 'Cause there's certainly been none of that in these parts.

And your contention that he refused to participate in a National Day of Prayer is perplexing, given that he issued a National Day of Prayer proclamation two years in a row--despite the fact that a federal judge had ruled the event unconstitutional. I also believe he held an Easter prayer breakfast for a variety of Christian leaders.

 

[Tider@GW_Law]

Dude, you are really hung up on this al-Taleed's ownership of NewsCorp stock. You do realize ANYONE with the cash can buy any publicly traded stock?? Of course you do so why the conspiracy theory junk?
The company has no control over who buys it's stock.

Yes, but it's not that simple when you start talking about holding significant percentages of a company's stock, which comes with significant corp voting rights. However, my main contention was with the fact that Fox News is going around pointing all these fingers about funding a mosque near ground zero - even naming a foundation that he heads - yet purposefully avoiding the name Prince al-Taleed.

I just find it incredibly hypocritical to implicate things based on others' ties to Muslim individuals while ignoring one's own.

As a side note, this along with News Corp's $1 mil donation DIRECTLY to the RNC suggests to me that what they are doing should no longer to some degree be considered "journalism."

 

[Tider@GW_Law]

I said I would be interested to see how you would defend your stance on these two issues, and particularly the anti-American claim. Which of course you still have yet to do.

Apparently I have not been clear that I really want to know what you think about these two issues and how you got there. I already know you think it is ridiculous to even question the points, but I would like to know how you got to that place with respect to these matters.

You'll have to excuse my continuting incredulity of your position.

First, how can conservatives spend months trying to put Obama closer and closer to REVEREND Wright and his CHRISTIAN church, then turn around a year or so later and start accusing of him being Muslim with a straight face?

BTW if Obama prayed 5 times a day towards Mecca and had been observing a Ramadan fast, I'm pretty sure somebody would have noticed. Also, I'm guessing that the proposed abundance of Muslim outreach (I say proposed b/c I haven't compared it to such outreach under Bush) probably has something to do with repairing the terrible state of such relations on account of the past few years.

Second, IMO to call any President of the United States anti-American is so beyond absurd that I can't even fathom it. It takes a lot to reach the office of POTUS and nobody takes it on, much less makes it, without a love and appreciation of his or her country. It is dishonest to say the least to say that just because somebody's ideas for America does not mesh with their own that that person is anti-American.

 

[Tider@GW_Law]

Wow. Responses from three of the four biggest liberals (oh -excuse me - "Progressives") on this board. I'm really impressed, guys.

To put all this together, and to reinforce my opinion that Obama is Muslim, not Christian, just answer the following question:

Why do you think it is that:
Obama chooses to continuously promote the Muslim religion; hosts dozens of Muslim religious leaders at the White House to celebrate Ramadan; hosts Ramadan dinner at the White House (09/01/09) and probably will again this year; yet at the same time refuses to participate in the National Day of Prayer two years in a row? Are those the actions of a Christian, or a Muslim?

Just a simple question begging a simple answer. :biggrin2:

Well, you never answered my simple question, which addresses one of the "author"'s central pillars to her hateblog post:

How is the CCMO associated with the Muslim Brotherhood beyond them both being Muslim?
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I don't mean to get into facts, but I think they're important to meaningful dialogue.

 

[Bama Reb]

Well, you never answered my simple question, which addresses one of the "author"'s central pillars to her hateblog post:

How is the CCMO associated with the Muslim Brotherhood beyond them both being Muslim?
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I don't mean to get into facts, but I think they're important to meaningful dialogue.

The Coordinating Council of Muslim Organizations was established to serve as a platform of unity and coordination for all Muslim organizations in the greater Washington, DC, area.[1]
Coordinating Council of Muslim Organizations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Organizations in the US started by activists involved with the Muslim Brotherhood include the Muslim Students Association in 1963,[19] North American Islamic Trust in 1971, the Islamic Society of North America in 1981, the American Muslim Council in 1990, the Muslim American Society in 1992, and the International Institute of Islamic Thought in the 1980s.[19] According to the Washington Post, Muslim activists say MSA's members represent "all schools of Islam and political leanings – many are moderates, while others express anti-U.S. views or support resistance against Israelis."[19]
Muslim Brotherhood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Although I don't see any direct ties, i.e. one person having a membership in both organizations, the CCCO's stated mission is to create a platform for and unity between Muslim organizations. Therefore I can see how the association between the two Muslim organizations can be inferred IMO.
On a personal note, I don't see how it's my responsibility to authenticate everything the author says. Yes, I copied it and referred to it, but I didn't write it.

 

[RamJamHam]

You'll have to excuse my continuting incredulity of your position.

First, how can conservatives spend months trying to put Obama closer and closer to REVEREND Wright and his CHRISTIAN church, then turn around a year or so later and start accusing of him being Muslim with a straight face?

I am not "conservatives" and I never said anything about what "conservatives" did or didn't do. Stop avoiding the question and answer it. Either he is or he isn't. I simply asked for reasons why you are convinced he's not. Note as well that I never took any position on this issue other than to challenge CharminTide to back up his assertions with something other than calling posters he did not agree with stupid, nonserious, and/or foolish. Which he STILL has yet to do as far as I can tell.

BTW if Obama prayed 5 times a day towards Mecca and had been observing a Ramadan fast, I'm pretty sure somebody would have noticed. Also, I'm guessing that the proposed abundance of Muslim outreach (I say proposed b/c I haven't compared it to such outreach under Bush) probably has something to do with repairing the terrible state of such relations on account of the past few years.

Now this is getting closer to something we can discuss. You actually make a couple of good points here, and I would agree with you that the aim of all the outreach is probably to repair relations. I don't see it doing any good, but at least we can disagree intelligently, and I don't think you are stupid, nonserious, or foolish for holding your opinion even though it does not coincide with mine.

Second, IMO to call any President of the United States anti-American is so beyond absurd that I can't even fathom it. It takes a lot to reach the office of POTUS and nobody takes it on, much less makes it, without a love and appreciation of his or her country. It is dishonest to say the least to say that just because somebody's ideas for America does not mesh with their own that that person is anti-American.

I agree that he does not hate America as he understands it. I think his understanding of what America is is probably different than mine, and I would bet that my understanding is as repugnant to him as his is to me. I don't think that is dishonest. A little sloppy, maybe, but not dishonest. And still not stupid, nonserious, or foolish.

 

[Bama Reb]

I agree that he does not hate America as he understands it. I think his understanding of what America is is probably different than mine, and I would bet that my understanding is as repugnant to him as his is to me. I don't think that is dishonest. A little sloppy, maybe, but not dishonest. And still not stupid, nonserious, or foolish.

I don't think he's being dishonest either, and he's certainly not stupid. I do think however, that he despises what most of us consider to be American values, and he is doing whatever he can to destroy this nation from within. Some of those that helped put him in office realize that it was his plan from the outset. However many didn't realize that when he said he wanted to "fundamentally change the US", that was exactly what he meant. He's transforming it from a productive nation into a government-dependent nanny state where the government is involved with every aspect of American's lives and totally dependent upon that government for their very livelihoods. He seeks to extort from the producers of this nation, the ones who support the economy, and give to those who do nothing in return and just want a free ride, or to those illegals he might legitimize and develop into a new voting bloc, so that he, or at least his party, can remain in power.
It's been documented time and again his desire and plan for a redistribution of wealth in this country. IOW, he's doing exactly what he's intended to do all along.

 

[twofbyc]

Wow. Responses from three of the four biggest liberals (oh -excuse me - "Progressives") on this board. I'm really impressed, guys.

To put all this together, and to reinforce my opinion that Obama is Muslim, not Christian, just answer the following question:

Why do you think it is that:
Obama chooses to continuously promote the Muslim religion; hosts dozens of Muslim religious leaders at the White House to celebrate Ramadan; hosts Ramadan dinner at the White House (09/01/09) and probably will again this year; yet at the same time refuses to participate in the National Day of Prayer two years in a row? Are those the actions of a Christian, or a Muslim?

Just a simple question begging a simple answer. :biggrin2:

To those who think Obama is a Muslim (I hope not anyone on here):
To get a Muslim into a Christian church without an AK in his hand, he would probably have to be dead.
Give Obama a piece of bacon, if you want proof; if he eats it, no way is he a Muslim. If he doesn't, there's your answer (well, give him the option of some Dreamland ribs, just in case he doesn't like bacon.)

 

[Bodhisattva]

IMO to call any President of the United States anti-American is so beyond absurd that I can't even fathom it. It takes a lot to reach the office of POTUS and nobody takes it on, much less makes it, without a love and appreciation of his or her country. It is dishonest to say the least to say that just because somebody's ideas for America does not mesh with their own that that person is anti-American.

I don't know whether Obama loves and appreciates his country or not. (Michelle, by her own words, has only recently been proud of this country.) But, he certainly has contempt for the majority of the people. Every "accomplishment" he's acheived thus far has been against the will of the people. Now, I have no doubt he thinks his destructive policies are for are own good. But, are his blunders out of misplaced "love and appreciation" or out of pure arrogance and cluelessness?

Obama having a different opinion from me doesn't make him anti-American. I don't think anyone here is saying that. But, this is not like a preference of Coke over Pepsi or rock music over rap or anything else that is a matter of pure opinion. This is a matter of trust. Obama has done nothing but violate the people's trust since he's been in office. I can't think of anything significant he's done that is constitutionally or economically sound. And he's done a lot of other things that just demonstrate bad form (calling out Boston-area cops, his choice of vacation spots, his unnecessary opinions on the Ground Zero mosque, etc.).

 

[Bama Reb]

To those who think Obama is a Muslim (I hope not anyone on here):
To get a Muslim into a Christian church without an AK in his hand, he would probably have to be dead.
Give Obama a piece of bacon, if you want proof; if he eats it, no way is he a Muslim. If he doesn't, there's your answer (well, give him the option of some Dreamland ribs, just in case he doesn't like bacon.)

Sorry to bust your bubble, but I think he's Muslim. I also think I'm far from being alone in that opinion.
That said, it matters little because it's his policies that are doing the damage to our country, not his religion, or lack thereof. It's his policies that are Marxist in nature and that are reeking havoc on our national economy. I don't see any type of substantial recovery ensuing until after his defeat in 2012. The best we can hope for until then is a change of power in the House and Senate this November, making Obama a lame duck and limiting his ability to do any further damage. I hope even more that those whom we elect this November listen to the people of this country in terms of what they need and want in the way of true economic reform, and that they don't choose to go back to "business as usual".

 

[twofbyc]

Sorry to bust your bubble, but I think he's Muslim. I also think I'm far from being alone in that opinion.
That said, it matters little because it's his policies that are doing the damage to our country, not his religion, or lack thereof. It's his policies that are Marxist in nature and that are reeking havoc on our national economy. I don't see any type of substantial recovery ensuing until after his defeat in 2012. The best we can hope for until then is a change of power in the House and Senate this November, making Obama a lame duck and limiting his ability to do any further damage. I hope even more that those whom we elect this November listen to the people of this country in terms of what they need and want in the way of true economic reform, and that they don't choose to go back to "business as usual".

Hey, you're not "busting my bubble"; you are free to believe what you want.
Do you also believe he was NOT born in the state of Hawaii? Just curious, because both of those beliefs go hand-in-hand, IMO, because there is absolutely, positively NO evidence to back up either claim,and a PREPONDERANCE of evidence to prove the opposite.
And, no, I'm not a lawyer.
And my comment had no bearing on his policies, only his religious beliefs, so it seems like you are trying to back up 'why you think he's a Muslim' with what you think of his politics. That makes no sense.
Marxist idealogy and Muslim beliefs have little, if anything, in common.

 

[Bama Reb]

Hey, you're not "busting my bubble"; you are free to believe what you want.
Do you also believe he was NOT born in the state of Hawaii? Just curious, because both of those beliefs go hand-in-hand, IMO, because there is absolutely, positively NO evidence to back up either claim,and a PREPONDERANCE of evidence to prove the opposite.
And, no, I'm not a lawyer.
And my comment had no bearing on his policies, only his religious beliefs, so it seems like you are trying to back up 'why you think he's a Muslim' with what you think of his politics. That makes no sense.
Marxist idealogy and Muslim beliefs have little, if anything, in common.

Actually, whether he was or wasn't born in Hawaii makes no difference. The determining factor is that his mother was a natural-born US citizen (Kansas), so he still is a US citizen, regardless. Even if, as some claim, he was born in Kenya, that would merely give him dual-citizenship. That does not preclude him from holding his previous office of US Senator from Illinois, or now, POTUS.

That aside, I object more to the policies he enacts than the religion he practices.