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Game Thread: OFFICIAL POST-GAME THREAD - Bama vs. Barn...

I know the game plan is getting beat to death, but I really thought we'd come out passing and running and then we'd turn to our run game late in the game, as we so often do to salt it away.

I just wonder what would have happened if we would have just run the plays in the opening drive of the second half over and over until they committed to stop them??? .

That's the only time in the game we really looked comfortable on offense.
 
TrueCrimson7 said:
Running back stats:
Kerryon Johnson averaged 3.5 yards per carry tonight. He got the ball 30 times.

Damien Harris entered the game averaging over 8 yards per carry. He averaged 8.5 tonight. He got the ball 6 times.
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Harris had 6 for 51 and Scarbrough had 6 for 46 (would have had more but the end zone put a stop to one run); basically the same yardage but based on a small number of runs. Harris is about as hard to tackle and probably has better vision and ability to find the openings but Scarbrough was just as successful in the runs set up by the offensive line tonight.
 
Well, Clemson is going to win so nothing else of magnitude is going to happen tonight. I am mentally and physically exhausted and am going to bed.

I feel your pain and sincerely hope that Alabama finds a way into the playoff. I think that you have as good a chance of winning it as anyone else if given the shot.

Roll Tide!!!
 
Just to back up my point a little here are our 3rd downs stats in a few bigger games

2016 vs LSU - 7 for 17

2017 vs Auburn - 3 for 11

2016 vs FSU - 3 for 16

2017 vs Miss State - 3 for 9

2017 vs LSU - 5 for 14

NCG vs Clemson - 2 for 15

2016 vs Washington - 4 for 14

This is a consistent problem with different play callers and against different teams.
 
Combine that with our abysmal 3rd down defense in our tighter games too.


We have a 3rd down problem and the staff needs to fix it this off-season or the head coach ought to start turning over coaches in the following off-season.
 
rgw said:
Combine that with our abysmal 3rd down defense in our tighter games too.


We have a 3rd down problem and the staff needs to fix it this off-season or the head coach ought to start turning over coaches in the following off-season.
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Pruitt has gone blitz crazy at times on 3rd downs.
 
BamaMoon said:
So it's "fair" to call out the whole OL and blame them, but some of you who are saying that get all defensive if JH is objectively critiqued???

OL struggled at times against a real good Barn OL, but IMO JH had the time to thrown most of the time. On some of the replays he had guys open...sometimes wide open. It's a legitimate concern that his best and most accurate pass is a flair pass to a receiver.

JH has improved...but he's being asked to do things he's not comfortable doing and that's on the coaches.
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The posts I've read that make an attempt to "objectively critique" Hurts pass objective and ultimately want to blame the entire game on him. Yes, he has his share of the blame for tonight. But he isn't the main reason we lost. The main reason we lost is bad gameplanning and preparation by our coaching staff from an offensive perspective.
 
Bamabuzzard said:
They're asking him to be a RPO, HUNH quarterback and a drop back pro style qb. Which is highly unfair to him. Being either one takes a lot of practice. It's like asking a pitcher to be a knuckle ball pitcher and a fastball power pitcher at the same time. It doesn't work. They need to pick what they want him to be and go with it. He's got the ability to be a good pocket passer. I've watched him in more than a few games this season go to his second and third reads. He CAN do it. But he's being asked to be all things. A jack of all trades but a master of none. With him being asked to do all things they are also misusing three stud RB's (with a N Harris you could say four) and some very good WR's. They are trying to gameplan an NFL style attack meshed with a RPO/HUNH style and it's causing problems. They need to pick one style and go with it.
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I completely agree! But, I just think if we choose to go pro-style all the way Tua is the better passer from the pocket (and not a bad runner either).

But I agree that he's being misused and your description is perfect...Jack of all trades and master of none.
 
KrAzY3 said:
Did you hear the comments about the game winning play against MSU? Hurts was actually given yet another slow developing play, and it was Hurts who actually told Ridley to shorten his route to adjust to the blitz. That's proof positive that in some cases at least Daboll seems to be calling slow developing plays even when it's not a good idea.

If Hurts is given a really short pass, for instance dumping it off to the RB, he really doesn't have much of a chance to do anything else. A lot of short stuff, let's say jet sweep, isn't the type of thing that Hurts really going to be able to not pull the trigger on. Those plays develop fast. That's the point really, if Hurts has fast developing plays, it can combat the issue with the defense hurrying him. It's the slow developing plays that give him more leave way, in which case yes, Hurts judgement becomes a bigger factor.
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The end of the MSU game was one of Jalen's shining moments. However, nothing that happens once is "proof positive" of anything, especially something so hard for us to grasp as play calling.

Speaking of that example, I did hear Jalen's comment, but I don't recall he said "to adjust to the blitz"? I had the impression it was to adjust to the coverage. Perhaps I am wrong about that but I don't recall "blitz" being mentioned. In any case, we have to remember that MSU was playing a deep, safe defense at that moment given the game situation. They got the pass they wanted, as Ridley caught the ball short of the first down line. It's just that he was too fast and they couldn't tackle him. That may not be the best example of how the game is played when it's not 3rd and 15 with under a minute to play.

The real problem is that teams have learned to crowd the LOS against us, blitz and spy Jalen. A quick developing play behind the LOS is not really a solution to that. Spreading them left and right is somewhat effective at slowing the rush a little but only so much as it doesn't keep them truly off the line. We had some success early with some quick passes to the running backs. But you can't do that all game. That same pass blitz can also sometimes blow up a short pass or hand offs.

We needed some short and intermediate range across the line of scrimmage, forcing the defense to guard that area of the field. It's not only about quickness but about forcing them off the line -- or taking advantage of the vulnerable man to man coverage. Another weapon that seems to be missing is the back shoulder pass in man coverage. We just don't know why those passes aren't happening, and we don't see how they work (or don't work) in practice.

We just don't know.
 
Bamabuzzard said:
The posts I've read that make an attempt to "objectively critique" Hurts pass objective and ultimately want to blame the entire game on him. Yes, he has his share of the blame for tonight. But he isn't the main reason we lost. The main reason we lost is bad gameplanning and preparation by our coaching staff from an offensive perspective.
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No...not all the blame goes to one player. I just have noticed (not saying you) that there were some blaming it all on the OL but then saying JH shouldn't be critiqued.
 
Bamabuzzard said:
The posts I've read that make an attempt to "objectively critique" Hurts pass objective and ultimately want to blame the entire game on him. Yes, he has his share of the blame for tonight. But he isn't the main reason we lost. The main reason we lost is bad gameplanning and preparation by our coaching staff from an offensive perspective.
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That's such a strawman. There are plenty of people who want to place blame for tonight on multiple people but also think Hurts deserves criticism.
 
Bamabuzzard said:
The posts I've read that make an attempt to "objectively critique" Hurts pass objective and ultimately want to blame the entire game on him. Yes, he has his share of the blame for tonight. But he isn't the main reason we lost. The main reason we lost is bad gameplanning and preparation by our coaching staff from an offensive perspective.
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So, for the record, you think coaches who have won multiple conference and national titles are more to blame? Or, do you think Daboll is the main problem, since he is new? Hurts is clearly limited as a passer against good defenses, but he also does other things that help win ball games. It seemed to me tonight that AU was just the better team overall.
 
Hurts had a poor showing but his tailbacks had 18 carries total (6 each for Bo, Dame, and Jacobs) and our third down playcalling was excrement.
 
RollTide_HTTR said:
That's such a strawman. There are plenty of people who want to place blame for tonight on multiple people but also think Hurts deserves criticism.
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Yes, and there are those who are doing just as I say. I don't need someone to tell me what I've read. If you want to criticize Hurts, go ahead. But for me, any criticism toward Hurts and even the OL is nothing more than criticizing a symptom. When the problem and has been all year, is the game planning and play calling from an offensive perspective.
 
teamplayer said:
So, for the record, you think coaches who have won multiple conference and national titles are more to blame? Or, do you think Daboll is the main problem, since he is new? Hurts is clearly limited as a passer against good defenses, but he also does other things that help win ball games. It seemed to me tonight that AU was just the better team overall.
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I don't give a rip how many natty's Saban has won - it's his OC and it's on him to either let him call plays unbound, or to direct him if he's doing stupid stuff.

Either the buck stops with him or it doesn't.
 
Bamabuzzard said:
They're asking him to be a RPO, HUNH quarterback and a drop back pro style qb. Which is highly unfair to him. Being either one takes a lot of practice. It's like asking a pitcher to be a knuckle ball pitcher and a fastball power pitcher at the same time. It doesn't work. They need to pick what they want him to be and go with it. He's got the ability to be a good pocket passer. I've watched him in more than a few games this season go to his second and third reads. He CAN do it. But he's being asked to be all things. A jack of all trades but a master of none. With him being asked to do all things they are also misusing three stud RB's (with a N Harris you could say four) and some very good WR's. They are trying to gameplan an NFL style attack meshed with a RPO/HUNH style and it's causing problems. They need to pick one style and go with it.
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This is a very good point. The worst part about it though is this is exactly what we were (I know I was) saying last year. This boils down to the objection that our offense lacks a true identity. I agree with that.

My one concern is we have only ever seen Jalen be a consistent pocket passer against inferior teams (of which there are many). I can't recall a game against a good secondary where he was a dominant pocket passer. Can you? I believe to this day it remains a hope instead of a fact that Hurts can dominate as a pocket passer. You can say that is because the coaches haven't prepared him properly; and I guess you could be right.
 
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