Bama Game Thread: Official Postgame Thread - Bama vs. Michigan...

[braggtd]

A lot of the talk I heard in the run up to the game was it was going to be Alabama vs Texas for the title. Washington was really given no chance.

I would like to see the Huskies win it all at this point.

I was kind of rooting for Texas as I am a Texan. But Washington would be aight.

 

[countrytider]

From what Saban said after the game the last play was a designed Milroe run all the way. He said it's one of our 2 point plays since we were on the 3 yard line anyway. It's a bad call though since it made no sense to run right into the strength of the Michigan defense.

Saban, as always just not going to throw anyone under the bus. It was a Pop Warner play-call.

Years of assistant staff coaching turnover has hurt us greatly. @B1GTide you were right about Steele also. He’s not that good. This defense would have been championship caliber with the right coaching.

A great defense doesn’t collapse when the game is on the line.

 

[JDCrimson]

But we had to go with Milroe because the OL was slow to develop, even a liability at times. We simply didnt have the QB or OL to run prostyle.That is why Simpson didn't win the job. And now that I think about it. He probably let the OL know they were trash in frustration at which point it was game over for him starting at QB.

if it's Milroe, it will require massive improvement from him for us to have any shot. The O is likely going to have to carry us next year, and we're just not anywhere close to that with his current skillset at QB.

Why will the O have to carry us?

We're losing 4 / 5 starters in the secondary with only one of the backups having a significant role (unless Moore takes a COVID year)

We're losing both Edge rushers, and don't really have a replacement with any experience for either.

We're losing our most versatile DL, who could play heavy edge or slide inside. Unless the transfer Overton is that guy, we don't have an experienced guy for that role either.

So really we have a Safety, 2 DL, and an LB and a half (Campbell played a lot) coming back, with a CB who at least played in Dime. Then we have a couple of transfers we can be hopeful about.

So to be successful, we're going to need to have a methodical, never really getting stalled out, take what the D gives you, by reading pre and post snap to get playmakers into good positions style offense. Right now Milroe just isn't any of those things and really hasn't shown much progress toward becoming any of those things in 3 years on campus. He'd have to develop 10 times more in the next 8 months than he has in his entire football career to get where he needs to be.

Think about it, in Hurts (true Freshman), Tuas (fresh/soph), Jones (5th), and Youngs (soph) first season as starters, ALL of them were allowed to read defenses, make calls at the line, have option pass routes to execute and basically run a pro-style read the D type approach. Hurst was scaled back some, but he at least had 1-2 reads per play as a true freshman. Further back, Coker, AJ, Sims and GMac, all were able to make full D reads to some degree in their first year as starter. Contrast that with Milroe (in his third year, but yest first as a starter), who isn't even trusted to make the read on a zone-read option, or simple RPOs now, nor to throw the most basic timing routes.

 

[RammerJammer14]

The last play call was absolutely atrocious, especially considering the OL play in the middle all night. Sure, put the ball in Milroe's hands and roll him out, give it a shot somewhere. He just ran into a mass of bodies......the real concern was Latham getting obliterated and Milroe almost breaking both their legs in the collision.

Poor play call.
Poor snap.
Poor decision making all around.
Poor execution all around.

Should have never been in that situation.

And now I'm reading quotes from Turner......yeah, he's leaving for the NFL obviously, but he sounds like he's upset that he wasn't rushing the QB more and was just doing what he was told. Poor attitude after a loss kid.

Maybe, but I can’t fault him too much. I have a tendency to have a poor attitude after a loss too. Moreso when I was 18-20. Got to work it out of the system. This is why I don’t like to watch games with other people. I know I am too much of a spaz and then it stresses me out that I might be stressing other people out lol.

 

[countrytider]

Ironic it came down to this. Bad snap. Bad Oline play. Bad QB decision.

It's really who we were most of the year.

Bad play-call.

 

[RammerJammer14]

I'm disappointed Bama was confused on both sides of the ball after a month to prepare. I've never seen that during Saban's era. They were punched in the mouth at the LOS too. Michigan scored in OT after two consecutive run plays. Bama didn't make em earn it at the end. This time still overachieved after advancing pass the chaos of the beginning of the season.

Last time I saw it was against the sign stealing Clemsons in 2018

 

[gtgilbert]

I mean if all the early season rumors were true, this team chose Milroe. So what have they got to complain about. This season we lived by the sword, and ultimately we died by sword. Is what it is.

yeah - those rumors were perplexing. I always wondered if it was the 'team' or just a few vocal players on the team (for some reason Booker comes to mind, but maybe because he was pretty vocal about a lot of things).

I also kinda think they way Turner talked about leaving so strongly means there's not really as much unity behind that decision as we might think. There were definitely plays this year where skill players were looking frustrated (a la Hurts 2nd year) because they'd done what they were supposed to do but the ball never got out.

 

[81usaf92]

if it's Milroe, it will require massive improvement from him for us to have any shot. The O is likely going to have to carry us next year, and we're just not anywhere close to that with his current skillset at QB.

Why will the O have to carry us?

We're losing 4 / 5 starters in the secondary with only one of the backups having a significant role (unless Moore takes a COVID year)

We're losing both Edge rushers, and don't really have a replacement with any experience for either.

We're losing our most versatile DL, who could play heavy edge or slide inside. Unless the transfer Overton is that guy, we don't have an experienced guy for that role either.

So really we have a Safety, 2 DL, and an LB and a half (Campbell played a lot) coming back, with a CB who at least played in Dime. Then we have a couple of transfers we can be hopeful about.

So to be successful, we're going to need to have a methodical, never really getting stalled out, take what the D gives you, by reading pre and post snap to get playmakers into good positions style offense. Right now Milroe just isn't any of those things and really hasn't shown much progress toward becoming any of those things in 3 years on campus. He'd have to develop 10 times more in the next 8 months than he has in his entire football career to get where he needs to be.

Think about it, in Hurts (true Freshman), Tuas (fresh/soph), Jones (5th), and Youngs (soph) first season as starters, ALL of them were allowed to read defenses, make calls at the line, have option pass routes to execute and basically run a pro-style read the D type approach. Hurst was scaled back some, but he at least had 1-2 reads per play as a true freshman. Further back, Coker, AJ, Sims and GMac, all were able to make full D reads to some degree in their first year as starter. Contrast that with Milroe (in his third year, but yest first as a starter), who isn't even trusted to make the read on a zone-read option, or simple RPOs now, nor to throw the most basic timing routes.

Milroe is probably the most problematic quarterback we have had since Gmac. He has massive potential, but we live and die by his play. He can’t read defenses and has never made any progress in doing so this season. You always have some reservations on picking a big win because his floor isn’t a good place to think about. But you have enough good feeling to think maybe we will pull it because of his potential.

Next year will be based on Milroe’s improvement in the off-season. If he improves then we can be in Atlanta on January 20,2025. If not then we will probably get bounced first or 2nd round of the playoffs. You have to have a quarterback that can take over a game and score. We were pretty much a 24-27 point team all year… that’s just not enough to feel really confident in your ability to win games.

 

[bamacon]

Meanwhile Michael Penix is throwing 20 yard passes like he is handing the WR the ball.

 

[bvandegraff]

Watching WA dissect TX makes me sorry Grubb didn't take the Bama OC job. OTOH, I can maybe see why.

 

[cbi1972]

Meanwhile Michael Penix is throwing 20 yard passes like he is handing the WR the ball.

He did not look this great in several games earlier this year.

 

[BamaMoon]

Bad play-call.

CTR was calling plays all year long with one hand tied behind his back.

 

[RammerJammer14]

He did not look this great in several games earlier this year.

Yep I pegged UW as overrated all season and a lot of it had to do with Penix just not playing that great against legitimately bad teams. But hey, he is apparently balling out tonight.

 

[bvandegraff]

Yep I pegged UW as overrated all season and a lot of it had to do with Penix just not playing that great against legitimately bad teams. But hey, he is apparently balling out tonight.

Yeah I said they were this year's TCU. Looks like I was wrong.

 

[JDCrimson]

Again, I think the OL decided whobthe QB was going to be either vocally or by their inconsistent play.

yeah - those rumors were perplexing. I always wondered if it was the 'team' or just a few vocal players on the team (for some reason Booker comes to mind, but maybe because he was pretty vocal about a lot of things).

I also kinda think they way Turner talked about leaving so strongly means there's not really as much unity behind that decision as we might think. There were definitely plays this year where skill players were looking frustrated (a la Hurts 2nd year) because they'd done what they were supposed to do but the ball never got out.

 

[bamamc1]

Milroe is probably the worst quarterback we have had since Gmac. He has massive potential, but we live and die by his play. He can’t read defenses and has never made any progress in doing so this season. Next year will be based on Milroe’s improvement in the off-season. If he improves then we can be in Atlanta on January 20,2025. If not then we will probably get bounced first or 2nd round of the playoffs. You have to have a quarterback that can take over a game and score. We were pretty much a 24-27 point team all year… that’s just not enough to feel really confident in your ability to win games.

Jesus.

 

[RollTide-YNWA]

Milroe is probably the most problematic quarterback we have had since Gmac. He has massive potential, but we live and die by his play. He can’t read defenses and has never made any progress in doing so this season. You always have some reservations on picking a big win because his floor isn’t a good place to think about. But you have enough good feeling to think maybe we will pull it because of his potential.

Next year will be based on Milroe’s improvement in the off-season. If he improves then we can be in Atlanta on January 20,2025. If not then we will probably get bounced first or 2nd round of the playoffs. You have to have a quarterback that can take over a game and score. We were pretty much a 24-27 point team all year… that’s just not enough to feel really confident in your ability to win games.

Agreed. There a saying that speed can't be coached. I wonder if a quarterback's ability to process and quickly read defenses isn't similar. You either have it or you don't. It's one thing to learn defenses in the offseason or in film sessions, I just wonder how much it translates into being able to quickly process it in the games. I know that's why you build a one- or two-read offense, but even two reads have to be processed and decided quickly and correctly.

 

[JDCrimson]

True, but I think Michigan more closely resembled our 2009 team tonight. Efficient play and competent running game.

Milroe is probably the most problematic quarterback we have had since Gmac. He has massive potential, but we live and die by his play. He can’t read defenses and has never made any progress in doing so this season. You always have some reservations on picking a big win because his floor isn’t a good place to think about. But you have enough good feeling to think maybe we will pull it because of his potential.

Next year will be based on Milroe’s improvement in the off-season. If he improves then we can be in Atlanta on January 20,2025. If not then we will probably get bounced first or 2nd round of the playoffs. You have to have a quarterback that can take over a game and score. We were pretty much a 24-27 point team all year… that’s just not enough to feel really confident in your ability to win games.

 

[HMM]

Texas showing signs of life...

 

[81usaf92]

True, but I think Michigan more closely resembled our 2009 team tonight. Efficient play and competent running game.

Michigan played their game, and didn’t beat themselves. The crazy thing is that they played their worst game of the season with their special teams.