Ohio State May Be Without Terrelle Pryor and Others Because Of Alleged Free Tattoos
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I just can't agree with this. The text book situation and this one are COMPLETELY different animals.
With the text books, athletes got friends a couple free books that had to be returned at the end of the semester. Supposedly no money changed hands, and if it did I'm sure it would have been a lot less than the cost of tattoos.
With the tattoos, the OSU players received free tattoos in exchange for autographs (I believe that's correct), meaning they got a direct monetary benefit as a result of their "status" as athletes. That's the big no-no according to NCAA rules. The OSU situation is much worse than the text books were, IMO. Obviously, the NCAA (contradictory to their own rules) didn't agree
I would like to see what the 'Tats' look like. What are they? Emblems or Slogans?
It does appear that the different rules for different folks applies in Auburn and in Ohio.
It's time to disband the NCAA, it no longer serves it's purpose.
It does appear that the different rules for different folks applies in Auburn and in Ohio.
It's time to disband the NCAA, it no longer serves it's purpose.
Wow, suspended for almost half of next year... time to go to the NFL and escape the punishment.
If anyone still thinks the NCAA is about integrity after this, then they are just as gullible as Auburn fans. It's all about the $$$$$, nothing else.
Why does the following quote from the ESPN article bother me so much? I guess, as long as you are in a big time event, then cheaters are welcome to play.
So, they can play in the bowl game so the Sugar Bowl can make more money but, the college players, who probably need some cash, can't sell there used crap that they received for winning games (which also made money for the school and bowl games). The NCAA is so screwed up at this point it is not even funny anymore.
It's kind of sad that there is not more outrage from the sports press about this as well.... Oh wait, they make money from these games also, how stupid of me.
If anyone still thinks the NCAA is about integrity after this, then they are just as gullible as Auburn fans. It's all about the $$$$$, nothing else.
Why does the following quote from the ESPN article bother me so much? I guess, as long as you are in a big time event, then cheaters are welcome to play.
So, they can play in the bowl game so the Sugar Bowl can make more money but, the college players, who probably need some cash, can't sell there used crap that they received for winning games (which also made money for the school and bowl games). The NCAA is so screwed up at this point it is not even funny anymore.
It's kind of sad that there is not more outrage from the sports press about this as well.... Oh wait, they make money from these games also, how stupid of me.
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We still got punished for it even though there were students getting away with it.
Depends on how you look at the value of the items. If you totaled the value of all of the textbooks of all Alabama student-athletes (it wasn't just the football team), the total value of the textbooks far outnumber the total value of the OSU athletes selling their stuff. BUT, if you look at the value what each athlete pocketed in actual cash, OSU players ended up with a lot more cash than the Alabama student-athletes did.
The NCAA is just covering themselves and trying to get through this postseason. It's obvious that the "high profile" teams in this postseason is getting preferential treatment because that means more money and money is what it's all about for them. The truth is the NCAA is contradicting themselves with this ruling, but after their initial ruling on the Cam situation; that is not surprising. They're just pushing the issue and punishment to next year when it will be much more convenient for them (financially and logistically), much like the ScAmU fiasco. It's garbage, but it's the NCAA way.
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Looks like the NCAA is already suffering fallout from their politically expedient Cam decision. I bet OSU jumped on the argument that the students "didn't know." We'll almost certainly see more schools follow suit.
This ruling and the Cam one are both the first time I've ever heard the NCAA (reinstatement staff or whatever) give credence to the "but, I didn't know" argument. Now whenever any student athlete faces the specter of lost eligibility he or she can say that the school just didn't do a good enough job of explaining the rules. Good luck with that NCAA!
This ruling and the Cam one are both the first time I've ever heard the NCAA (reinstatement staff or whatever) give credence to the "but, I didn't know" argument. Now whenever any student athlete faces the specter of lost eligibility he or she can say that the school just didn't do a good enough job of explaining the rules. Good luck with that NCAA!
Actually, the NCAA addressed this issue. Some NCAA spokesperson said that that's where the students' lack of knowledge came in. Basically, the NCAA acknowledged that the bowl game was a big deal to the students, and that they shouldn't be forced to miss a bowl game because OSU's compliance department did such a poor job of explaining the rules to them. Seriously, this was their rationale for not suspending them for the bowl games.
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One thing I don't understand is if they're ineligible now, wouldn't they have been ineligible from the time the benefits were given? If so, That reshuffles everything. Michigan State would more than likely be in the Sugar Bowl. And there'd be 11 other teams with 1 more win. Add to that Miami would be 8-4 and Shannon would probably still have his job.
This whole thing opens up a can of worms. It's stupid from every single angle.
This whole thing opens up a can of worms. It's stupid from every single angle.
As a couple of you have stated, I do not get the idea of suspensions for almost half of next years season but not the bowl game.!? The NCAA has really opened themselves up to a complete mutiny by member institutions and a complete trashing in the media and public opinion. I guess if the fans keep filling up large stadiums and sponsors keep opening the checkbooks, the college presidents could care less.....
Seems as if Coach Tressel doesn't have an anti-Twitter rule. And the response from the OSU players has been refreshingly honest. None more so that lineman Michael Brewster who had this very appropriate question:
Why couldn't we get the investigators that handled the auburn case??
Why couldn't we get the investigators that handled the auburn case??
My question is, who sells their Big-10 champ ring and awards from the school? What a foolhardy move by group of young men. One day they will wish they had those things.
I view the tattoo situation as akin to the fishing trip. In both situations the athletes allegedly received an extra benefit because of their status as athletes. After thinking about it, I think I recall that our guys were left hanging with no NCAA decision until very shortly before the first game, at which time the NCAA ruled it's OK for them to play. If my recollection is correct, then this is one of my gripes with the NCAA. If it's Alabama, let 'em dangle 'til the last minute. If it's OSU (or any non-SEC team), rule immediately so the team doesn't have to spend cycles doing contingency planning.
The "poor training" babble is rediculous. That metric could be applied to any instance where an athlete runs afoul of the NCAA. A better resolution for the NCAA would have been to require repayment; then make no ruling on the players until game week, then let 'em play. No suspensions in 2011.
Nothing at all in the OSU situation that compares to Auburn IMO. The Auburn situation is still in its infancy.
The "poor training" babble is rediculous. That metric could be applied to any instance where an athlete runs afoul of the NCAA. A better resolution for the NCAA would have been to require repayment; then make no ruling on the players until game week, then let 'em play. No suspensions in 2011.
Nothing at all in the OSU situation that compares to Auburn IMO. The Auburn situation is still in its infancy.
Having the rings years from now is the macro view. Looking at it from the micro view (the here & now) it has been reported that Pryor said he needed the money to help his mother . A noble gesture.
That is the one hard thing for the student athlete as opposed to being in the band or on academic scholarship. At least those kids can work at a Best Buy or some other part time job. Now if old Pryor had gone to the Barn his mom would have been rolling in money and he would have not needed to sell his stuff.
So clearly ignorance is now a plausible defense to the NCAA, both with this and the Cam Newton deal. Maybe Coach Saban should quit with all the compliance training. If the players do something stupid to make a buck, they can just say they didnt know. If our boosters start writing checks, then the university can just say they didnt know. This defense clearly didnt work with the Means deal or the text books. But it should hold up now.
This is what you have happen when you run things in an arbitrary fashion which the NCAA has done for YEARS. We all saw this coming when they ruled on Cam. This is really becoming a joke though.
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