Ohio State May Be Without Terrelle Pryor and Others Because Of Alleged Free Tattoos

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Actually, I don't think May forgot about Auburn. I suspect he's taking it as a "given" that Auburn will in due course be hammered by the NCAA. After all, they're SEC...
Actually, I don't think May forgot about Auburn. I didn't mean I thought Aubie would skate again, but after Camgate and Tattgate it wouldn't surprise me at all.

I suspect he's taking it as a "given" that Auburn will in due course be hammered by the NCAA. After all, they're SEC... Will anyone ever be hammered by the NCAA again? That looks no better than 50/50 right now.
 

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Will anyone ever be hammered by the NCAA again? That looks no better than 50/50 right now.
I'm wondering that same thing. This new "friendlier" NCAA under Emmert is starting to mirror our current mess of society.....no responsibility, no ownership, no accountability. Everyone is a victim because they either didn't know or didn't understand. :rolleyes:
 

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I'm wondering that same thing. This new "friendlier" NCAA under Emmert is starting to mirror our current mess of society.....no responsibility, no ownership, no accountability. Everyone is a victim because they either didn't know or didn't understand. :rolleyes:
Someone was making the argument recently that Emmert was a really smart guy and not to be under-estimated. He could fool me.

Does this make some kind of twisted sense to anyone?

The NCAA did not suspend the players for the Jan. 4 Sugar Bowl against the eighth-ranked Razorbacks because the ''student-athletes did not receive adequate rules education during the time period the violations occurred.'' Translation: Athletes broke rules but are not to blame because they did not know, therefore will get to play in bowl game.

Lennon said a game was added on to the usual four-game penalty ''because these student-athletes did not immediately disclose the violations when presented with the appropriate rules education.'' Translation: Athletes broke rules but would not admit it when confronted with the proper rules education, therefore will not be allowed to play in the first five games next season.

After the Cam and Tat ruling this begs the question if any school will ever have to vacate wins again for playing ineligible players.
 
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There are allota "Gates" being left open and loopholed by the NCAA of late.:Smiliz_Kingz_PDT_20
Now they are trying to close the gates after all the horses have ran away.:D I have to believe that a great many boosters and family members (everywhere) are re-thinking their positions. Heck, if ignorance is a good excuse then why not take advantage of it! If they don't re-think their stance then they are ignorant. :biggrin:
 

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Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

The chaos at the NCAA is mind-blowing. They have lost all credibility and things are only going to get worse. They have boxed themselves into a corner where now they are about as scary as a blind, one-legged, declawed, toothless tiger. They hand a chance to make a statement and instead they threw up all over themselves and proceeded to grab their ankles. It is open season on cheating now. Let the bidding commence.
 

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Someone was making the argument recently that Emmert was a really smart guy and not to be under-estimated. He could fool me.

...........snip...........

After the Cam and Tat ruling this begs the question if any school will ever have to vacate wins again for playing ineligible players.
If this guy stays in charge, you might be right. I wonder how long it will take the members' presidents to run him off, under threat of bolting.

These latest rulings raise the concept of situational ethics to a new level. A low one, at that.
 

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Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

The chaos at the NCAA is mind-blowing. They have lost all credibility and things are only going to get worse. They have boxed themselves into a corner where now they are about as scary as a blind, one-legged, declawed, toothless tiger. They hand a chance to make a statement and instead they threw up all over themselves and proceeded to grab their ankles. It is open season on cheating now. Let the bidding commence.
No doubt boosters with lots of money and little integrity have a great big smile right now. However, we know the NCAA has had no problem with selective punishment in the past and can hammer down whenever they feel they need to make a statement. Has all this media uproar changed that? I would not want to be the school who finds out the hard way.
 

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Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

No doubt boosters with lots of money and little integrity have a great big smile right now. However, we know the NCAA has had no problem with selective punishment in the past and can hammer down whenever they feel they need to make a statement. Has all this media uproar changed that? I would not want to be the school who finds out the hard way.
This is what concerns me the most about the present NCAA situation. The potential exists for a rogue booster with more money than brains to view the current situation as a license to open up the wallet. However, the NCAA has demonstrated over the years that selective enforcement is no problem for them. Furthermore, they have demonstrated over the past decade that Alabama is in their crosshairs. Put those last two sentences together and the present situation is a potential powderkeg for us. I sincerely hope our athletic office is going over the top in reminding and educating our athletes on what they can and can't do.

Like it or not, IMO Alabama must be more vigilant than ever in doing all we can to be pristine clean.

On a slightly different topic, I wonder if we can petition the NCAA to restore the vacated wins from the textbook situation. Point to OSU not having to vacate wins... Maybe shame 'em into some semblance of equity. Oh... wait... the NCAA has no shame... :frown:
 

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As as commenter on the sportsbybrooks piece points asks, shouldn't OSU, having admitted that they did not adequately inform their student athletes of the rules against selling merchandise, be sanctioned for not promoting an atmosphere of compliance?
 

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The NZAA can adopt any rules/infraction program they chose, but if they don't apply it equally, in all cases.................

This is what we end up with.
 

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Strike up the band....................

(Translation: they are lying!)

2007-09 Buckeye Disputes ?I Didn?t Know? Defense
Duh, know kidding. <---- a new spelling variation just for the NCAA.

My Lord, how open-minded does a person have to be to think they did not know? One player, maybe, could not have known, I'll give them that exception. Five? No way. Impossible, unless you also believe Cam did not know his Dad was shopping him around. (Let me add that if Cam's partents were divorced and Cam only saw his Dad on Christmas then I might believe he did not know).

Last year, can you imagine anyone using the I did not know excuse for giving textbooks to other students after we had been front page news for several months running? Duh.

Next we will hear the N.C. players saying the did not know they could not socialize and party with a agent.

I am ready to slap someone, LOL, just for being so stupid to believe any of that mamby pamby stuff. I think we need that retired drill sergeant running the NCAA instead of trying to be head shrinkier. In fact, he would be a good person to have a little chat with the Heisman voters just before they send their votes in.
 
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Is there anyone at all who has any faith at all in the NCAA? Has the 2010 season tainted your view of college football? I know it has mine. I hope I'm not being biased just because Auburn is on top this year. But I know for me personally, if the 2009 season was 2 steps forward, the 2010 season was 10 steps back. The cheating, the lying, the cover-ups, the super-conference talk, Boise being a headline stealer, etc... this season has been the worst I can remember in quite some time. It's taken a lot of wind out of my sails.

I sort of feel about College Football is broken, and the only way to fix it is to start over.
 

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Is there anyone at all who has any faith at all in the NCAA? Has the 2010 season tainted your view of college football? I know it has mine. I hope I'm not being biased just because Auburn is on top this year. But I know for me personally, if the 2009 season was 2 steps forward, the 2010 season was 10 steps back. The cheating, the lying, the cover-ups, the super-conference talk, Boise being a headline stealer, etc... this season has been the worst I can remember in quite some time. It's taken a lot of wind out of my sails.
I know exactly what you mean and feel the same way.


I sort of feel about College Football is broken, and the only way to fix it is to start over.
They say every so often, revolution is a good thing.
 

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Is there anyone at all who has any faith at all in the NCAA? Has the 2010 season tainted your view of college football? I know it has mine. I hope I'm not being biased just because Auburn is on top this year. But I know for me personally, if the 2009 season was 2 steps forward, the 2010 season was 10 steps back. The cheating, the lying, the cover-ups, the super-conference talk, Boise being a headline stealer, etc... this season has been the worst I can remember in quite some time. It's taken a lot of wind out of my sails.

I sort of feel about College Football is broken, and the only way to fix it is to start over.
I'm almost to that point. But I think there's a big difference b/t college football and the NCAA. College football is the game played on Saturday and our beloved Crimson Tide. That won't ever be spoiled for me by the actions of outsiders. The NCAA on the other hand is a corrupt organization that I didn't trust after the Means incident and now I have absolutely 0 respect for with their handlnig of the barn and OSU incidents.
 

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Is there anyone at all who has any faith at all in the NCAA? Has the 2010 season tainted your view of college football? I know it has mine. I hope I'm not being biased just because Auburn is on top this year. But I know for me personally, if the 2009 season was 2 steps forward, the 2010 season was 10 steps back. The cheating, the lying, the cover-ups, the super-conference talk, Boise being a headline stealer, etc... this season has been the worst I can remember in quite some time. It's taken a lot of wind out of my sails.

I sort of feel about College Football is broken, and the only way to fix it is to start over.
That would be a NO according to what I saw on the OSU discussion on OTL. I don't remember any names but no one had anything good to say about the NCAA. I'll try to paraphrase.

Former Compliance director at Marshall: Of course OSU educated the players on selling things they were given by university. To think they did not is ridiculious. Compliance directors are under a great deal of pressure to bend the rules as far as possible. When we tried to use the "I did not know" excuse at Marshall the NCAA laughed as they rejected it.

According to him the people he sees on a regular basis (people formerly and currently involved in dealing with NCAA) are all talking about what a joke the NCAA is and laughing behind their backs.

Former OSU QB: Of course the players knew. When I was there a few years ago this issue was covered in detail two times each year and we were reminded of it often. I can't believe any player at OSU did know that rule.

Several other guests all had the same to say about the NCAA. They are selective in punishment and this "I did not know" excuse is a joke when anyone in their right mind would have to say they did know.
 

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That's why i say just pay these kids already. For those of you who still believe the "free education" is ample compensation, I have to respectfully disagree. And I use this quote from Jim Harbaugh as my main arguing point:

"They're adulated when they're playing, but when they get out, the people who adulated them won't hire them."
 
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