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SoonerDunes

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I'm an Oklahoma fan who likes 'Bama as my second favorite team and I think your loss of wins is very unfair. This is a bigger deal than most sports writers seem to think and I just don't see that the punishment fits the crime in this case. As most of you know, we went through this recently and won and appeal to have our wins restored and I hope you can do the same.
Why on earth has USC not been punished for the Reggie Bush deal which was far worse than the OU and 'Bama infractions?
 
SoonerDunes said:
I'm an Oklahoma fan who likes 'Bama as my second favorite team and I think your loss of wins is very unfair. This is a bigger deal than most sports writers seem to think and I just don't see that the punishment fits the crime in this case. As most of you know, we went through this recently and won and appeal to have our wins restored and I hope you can do the same.
Why on earth has USC not been punished for the Reggie Bush deal which was far worse than the OU and 'Bama infractions?
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exactly !! thank you for your support and understanding.:BigA:

WE hope to win the appeal as well...RTR!!
 
Thanks Sooner for the support...
Many of us feel the same...although others think it was light and we got lucky. I thought 21 vacated wins was pretty stiff also, as well as the 3 yr probation, especially when many thought it would just be 10 vacated. I'm not saying we weren't guilty of a violation and deserved nothing penalty wise, I just don't think the penalty given fits the crime, as it pertained to the football team.
However, I'm not sure if its worth appealing based on UA's past dealings with the Nzaa which is a story unto itself, but I hope its being strongly considered. If Dr. Witt, MM and the Compliance staff thinks we have a good shot at getting some of it reduced, it would lessen the sting a bit, particularly on the probation end. But we shall see.

Oh and the Sooners are one my fave teams as well. Good luck to the Sooners this year!
 
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Thanks for the comments and support. Seems that the NCAA focuses on a handful of programs and some programs never seem to get on the NCAA radar. Best of luck to OU this year.
 
We hear ya, SoonerDunes. Welcome aboard. The ncaa makes no sense at all. U$C and notre damn get away with everything, while OU and Bama get hammered for sneezing.:rolleyes:
 
APPEAL - What are they going to do, Put us on 'Double Secret Probation'.

I know we would like to put this behind us, but I don't think we should have to vacate more than 10-11 games. It looks like a couple of sports writers have tried to make this a bigger deal than what the violation merits.

(Even our Court System has what's called a 'Fairness in Sentencing' section.) I agree that we had violations, but they (NZAA) went overboard in punishing us. (AGAIN).
 
It appears more so to me the NZAA has a vendetta against teams below the Mason-Dixon line (Alabama, Oklahoma, FSU, and even Aubarn though I could care less about what happens to them however). I've said it once and I'll say it again: we should all rally together and start a riot outside of the NCAA headquarters until justice is served in Southern California.
 
Thanks for the support.

All programs are not treated equally. If you are Ohio State, Meechigan, ND or USC West, it's a slap on the wrist. Can you imagine if Alabama had signed Maurice Clarett? The Nazi's would have been down hard on Bama but Ohio State just said he was a choir boy and the Nazi's believed them! (Said choir boy is now serving prison time!)


Nuff said. Let's go forward
 
Does anyone know who is the president of the nzaa or who hires the person and who hires all the current nzaa personel somehow we need to light a fire under there tails somehow about trying to get some replacements for them that would be more fair to everyone maybe if they get concerned about there jobs and maybe losing there gravy train job they might change there thinking but my vote would be to fire the whole bunch and hire people from all areas of the country to try to get a more evened out verdict for all schools but its probably only wishful thinking thanks sooner for your support .:BigA:
 
I know this is an unpopular thought, but I like the idea of vacating wins. For one, it punishes the people that committed the violations, not players that had nothing to do with the problems.
 
ghickok234 said:
I know this is an unpopular thought, but I like the idea of vacating wins. For one, it punishes the people that committed the violations, not players that had nothing to do with the problems.
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I respectfully disagree.

At most, 7 players were guilty of breaking the rules. That leaves 80 or so who were innocent. Their hard work and dedication which helped produce those wins now goes unrecognized.

Not to mention the alumni and more importantly, former players now see their alma mater slide further down the lists of all-time wins, winning percentage, bowl wins, etc.

No, it is not fair to the innocent, which I would say the ncaa rarely is fair or logical.
 
TideEngineer08 said:
I respectfully disagree.

At most, 7 players were guilty of breaking the rules. That leaves 80 or so who were innocent. Their hard work and dedication which helped produce those wins now goes unrecognized.

Not to mention the alumni and more importantly, former players now see their alma mater slide further down the lists of all-time wins, winning percentage, bowl wins, etc.

No, it is not fair to the innocent, which I would say the ncaa rarely is fair or logical.
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I understand what you are saying but I would rather punish the group that actually took free textbooks than future players that weren't even on campus when the books were taken. I hate that they punished the rest of the team for the mistakes of 7 but better that than remove 2, 4 or if the barners were to be believed 10 scholarships. That punishes people with nothing to do with the scandal. As far as records go, our record during and after we got hammered were not very good and it took us years to recover.
 
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SoonerDunes said:
I'm an Oklahoma fan who likes 'Bama as my second favorite team and I think your loss of wins is very unfair. This is a bigger deal than most sports writers seem to think and I just don't see that the punishment fits the crime in this case. As most of you know, we went through this recently and won and appeal to have our wins restored and I hope you can do the same.
Why on earth has USC not been punished for the Reggie Bush deal which was far worse than the OU and 'Bama infractions?
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Thank you SD.
 
Actually this has got to have U$C shaking in their boots. If we self reported an issue with textbooks and got this as well aas FSU self reported and got hit with what they did it shows how serious they actually have gotten. I do believe the investigation is still ongoing (all be it slowly) at U$C and its going slow because SC isn't cooperating with the investigation (my opinion is because they know they are guilty as sin). Imagine what the NCAA is going to do to that team. If the NCAA wasn't going to do anything to U$C they would have already closed the investigation and called it done they haven't done that so to me it shows they will pusue this until they find the dirt then it will be time to pay the piper on the west coast.
 
ghickok234 said:
I understand what you are saying but I would rather punish the group that actually took free textbooks than future players that weren't even on campus when the books were taken. I hate that they punished the rest of the team for the mistakes of 7 but better that than remove 2, 4 or if the barners were to be believed 10 scholarships. That punishes people with nothing to do with the scandal. As far as records go, our record during and after we got hammered were not very good and it took us years to recover.
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My point would be nothing should be done except perhaps fine the players who took part in the wrongdoing. Nothing more. There is no need to take scholarships away. No need to vacate wins. No need for bowl bans or tv bans. This does nothing but punish and humiliate people who have nothing to do with the crimes.

Even in Alabama's last ordeal with the ncaa, the majority of the people involved with the University (athletes, students, administrators, employees, alumni, fans) had absolutely nothing to do with it. Yet, each and every one was punished.

The ncaa's corrective measures do nothing to correct or fix problems. They only humiliate their member institutions. The actions that the University took will correct the problem. Nothing the ncaa did will help. It will only humiliate.

The ncaa serves no useful purpose in my opinion.
 
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