QB coach says Stidham held back due to Briles/Malzahn offenses.

[smith5753]

Wasn’t sure if this deserved it’s own thread... if not mods feel free to delete.

I thought this was a very interesting article from al.com. There’s quotes from Jarrett Stidham’s QB coach regarding how playing in both Art Briles and Gus Malzahn’s offenses had Stidham completely unprepared for playing in the NFL. We’ve all talked at length through the years about how these offenses are gimmicky, “Mickey Mouse” like, and only work with perfect circumstances at the college level, but this really sheds light on Gus and his inability to recruit top talent at the QB position and more so on the inability to develop the guy’s they did get.
https://www.al.com/sports/2021/03/a...rett-stidham-behind-in-nfl-qb-coach-says.html

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I'm sure that link was just saved by every HC in Gus' conference and forwarded to all their QB recruits.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Gus’ offense counted on defenses not playing assignment football. When coaches got the hero ball coached out of their defense he struggled. His offense isn’t complicated.

Similarly with Briles, once you get in the nfl and the guys have to read multiple facets of a defense and the defensive backs are allowed to play, things get more difficult.

 

[smith5753]

I'm sure that link was just saved by every HC in Gus' conference and forwarded to all their QB recruits.

Oh absolutely lol! I’m assuming this was somewhat common knowledge or at least suspected about Gus in the recruiting inner circles.

 

[RammerJammer15]

Gus' offense is the worst possible offense if you're a pocket QB. Jarrett Stidam, Sean White, Jeremy Johnson, etc...

It's not a coincidence that the 2nd most successful QB under Malzahn was a Cornerback.

 

[crimsonaudio]

 

[TideEngineer08]

It apparently has seriously stunted Stidham's potential. The Patriots extended Cam's contract. A Cam Newton WELL past his prime.

 

[bamamick]

And aggravatingly enough, he was the most successful coach against us during CNS's tenure.

rtr

 

[smith5753]

It apparently has seriously stunted Stidham's potential. The Patriots extended Cam's contract. A Cam Newton WELL past his prime.

It has to make you wonder what Cam could have been under say Sarkisian. Early on he was pretty effective with apparently little help from his college coaches.

 

[TideEngineer08]

It has to make you wonder what Cam could have been under say Sarkisian. Early on he was pretty effective with apparently little help from his college coaches.

He was a massive natural talent. No doubt about it. But the NFL hits take their toll, no matter how big and strong you are.

 

[smith5753]

And aggravatingly enough, he was the most successful coach against us during CNS's tenure.

rtr

His teams had their moments for sure. Luck and manipulation of the rules on offense played a big part in more than 1 of those famed victories he had.

 

[TideEngineer08]

And aggravatingly enough, he was the most successful coach against us during CNS's tenure.

rtr

Chaos vs. Order. Sometimes chaos wins. And quite frankly, the best possible approach to combat the extreme order and discipline of the Nick Saban method is to include at least a little chaos.

 

[smith5753]

Chaos vs. Order. Sometimes chaos wins. And quite frankly, the best possible approach to combat the extreme order and discipline of the Nick Saban method is to include at least a little chaos.

That’s a great way to put it. The times they beat us our teams played down to their level and fell for the trickery and eye candy instead of playing sound, disciplined football.

 

[rolltide_21]

This is at least the third article like this I’ve seen posted on Stidham’s lack of development with these HCs. Unless I was a better athlete than passer I don’t know if I would consider playing for Malzahn.

 

[AUDub]

That Gus's offense was a bad fit for the NFL at the QB position is not shocking at all.

That's not what sank him though. When you have a stud athlete with a decent arm you can stick back there (Nick Marshall, Bo etc.) then the offense will run just fine.

What killed Gus is that his offense was a terrible primer for offensive linemen as well, and it wasn't hard to negatively recruit on that. Hence the fact that we just signed our first HS tackle since 2017. He'd miss then go the JUCO or GT route without fail.

 

[GrayTide]

Name a Wishbone QB or single wing TB who made it big in the NFL. None of it is surprising.

 

[TideEngineer08]

Name a Wishbone QB or single wing TB who made it big in the NFL. None of it is surprising.

Richard Todd and Jeff Rutledge had decent careers, didn't they? But no, they didn't make it big. Of course, on that note, Coach Bryant emphasized the pass out of the wishbone more than most did.

 

[smith5753]

Name a Wishbone QB or single wing TB who made it big in the NFL. None of it is surprising.

No it’s not surprising. People have been pointing this out for some time now. I thought it was interesting take from someone with first hand experience with QBs at the next level.

 

[TitleWave]

Name a Wishbone QB or single wing TB who made it big in the NFL. None of it is surprising.

Troy Aikman for one and maybe the only one - and that was after breaking his ankle at OU and breaking away from the ‘bone by transferring to UCLA.

 

[davefrat]

The saving grace for Gus is that he doesn’t need an NFL quality QB to be reasonably successful.

He’s good enough to win enough to keep a job and make a lot of money so what does he care?