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teamplayer said:
These points are all valid, and they also indicate that there is more to being a QB than just throwing a ball through a tire (old school reference). I would bet on Tua being able to throw more accurate passes than Jalen any day of the week based only on what I have seen of them playing in games. However, protecting the ball and leadership are both huge factors. Tua may also have both of those abilities, too. My only point is that the coaches know more than any of the people who seem absolutely certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that Tua should be playing over Jalen. I'm just left wondering why those people think they know more than Coach Saban. I guess we have more candidates than we were aware of to replace Coach Saban when he decides to retire. Personally, I hope he stays quite a while longer. I enjoy a good debate, but I have discovered through the years that people who state their opinions as fact often like to argue instead of actually discussing and listening.
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I don't think anyone is trying to replace Saban or stating that they know more. Fans as a collective base have varied opinions and the analysis if pros and cons go along with it. I haven't really read where anyone assumed their opinion as fact. I think everyone wants to win and support whoever the qb is . I think the most interesting aspect to remember is that the offense involves more than a qb and that relates to what some knowledgable people on here have stated about locker room support and possibly losing trust of the team. Fans are just simply stating what I'm sure the staff sees as well which is cause for concern where improvement and decision making is concerned....there are those who have said that the leash may be shorter than some think .....do we know for sure?of course not but that's what the board is for....to discuss and share view points not to get any coaches approval on anyone's opinion.
 
i wouldnt question CNS but Derrick Henry was a man among boys the moment he set foot on campus. It took awhile for him to use him as well. I know we had some talented RB's but Derrick Henry was on a different level. So its not totally wrong to think he may be playing the wrong guy here.

ROTYDE said:
My question is do you not think CNS would play the QB with the best chance of getting the win? I think wins matter in everyone's world no one wants to lose.
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ROTYDE said:
My question is do you not think CNS would play the QB with the best chance of getting the win? I think wins matter in everyone's world no one wants to lose.
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Because he defines "best chance" differently than some others. He places such a premium on no turnovers at the position that he may overlook otherwise weak play.


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CrimsonProf said:
Because he defines "best chance" differently than some others. He places such a premium on no turnovers at the position that he may overlook otherwise weak play.


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This... Jalen is less likely to turn the ball over and Saban has always placed a premium on this. We had a fairly weak schedule this year, so this approach worked fine. I doubt we can be so risk adverse in the playoffs and expect to have the "best" chance to win. At best we're looking at a close game with Jalen at QB vs Clemson. The ceiling just isn't there.

Edit: IMO... this compounds the problem for Jalen. If the main reason he stays at QB is protecting the ball... then he will be even less likely to make the higher risk throws that are needed against better defenses, or stay in the pocket and risk a sack/sack fumble.
 
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gamersfuel said:
i wouldnt question CNS but Derrick Henry was a man among boys the moment he set foot on campus. It took awhile for him to use him as well. I know we had some talented RB's but Derrick Henry was on a different level. So its not totally wrong to think he may be playing the wrong guy here.
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It took a threat to transfer on his part. Saban is extremely loyal and that goes for players as well as assistants...
 
Cauthonluck151 said:
This... Jalen is less likely to turn the ball over and Saban has always placed a premium on this. We had a fairly weak schedule this year, so this approach worked fine. I doubt we can be so risk adverse in the playoffs and expect to have the "best" chance to win. At best we're looking at a close game with Jalen at QB vs Clemson. The ceiling just isn't there.

Edit: IMO... this compounds the problem for Jalen. If the main reason he stays at QB is protecting the ball... then he will be even less likely to make the higher risk throws that are needed against better defenses, or stay in the pocket and risk a sack/sack fumble.
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Exactly. Alabama will have to be more liberal on offense to beat Clemson and say, Oklahoma (if we ended up facing them). These are some of the best offenses and defenses in the nation. There's no tomorrow and nothing needs to be held back. I'm not saying play wreckless and end up putting our defense in bad positions but our offense is too talented to utilize our players. Robert Foster has barely been used this year. The running backs only had 18 carries combined against the barn. That's unacceptable.
 
ROTYDE said:
Earle, how far is he willing to carry that loyalty? Would he carry it to the point of losing a game when he might otherwise win?
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No, never intentionally. I think another HC might have benched McElroy in favor of AJ, there was so much separation between them in throwing the ball. It was discussed and it came close to happening but Mac played against Texas with badly cracked ribs, giving us an almost nonexistent passing game. There were good reasons for taking that gamble, but I do think that loyalty played a part. JMO, of course. I noticed that Saban went out of his way to minimize Mac's injury, but my sources said he couldn't even practice. For that matter, AJ went almost half the season not being able to practice because of a torn labrum. The actual games are not just the tip of the iceberg. They are like 10% of the tip of the iceberg...
 
TIDE-HSV said:
No, never intentionally. I think another HC might have benched McElroy in favor of AJ, there was so much separation between them in throwing the ball. It was discussed and it came close to happening but Mac played against Texas with badly cracked ribs, giving us an almost nonexistent passing game. There were good reasons for taking that gamble, but I do think that loyalty played a part. JMO, of course. I noticed that Saban went out of his way to minimize Mac's injury, but my sources said he couldn't even practice. For that matter, AJ went almost half the season not being able to practice because of a torn labrum. The actual games are not just the tip of the iceberg. They are like 10% of the tip of the iceberg...
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This is not encouraging 😑 but it's a very good point.
 
teamplayer said:
These points are all valid, and they also indicate that there is more to being a QB than just throwing a ball through a tire (old school reference). I would bet on Tua being able to throw more accurate passes than Jalen any day of the week based only on what I have seen of them playing in games. However, protecting the ball and leadership are both huge factors. Tua may also have both of those abilities, too. My only point is that the coaches know more than any of the people who seem absolutely certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that Tua should be playing over Jalen. I'm just left wondering why those people think they know more than Coach Saban. I guess we have more candidates than we were aware of to replace Coach Saban when he decides to retire. Personally, I hope he stays quite a while longer. I enjoy a good debate, but I have discovered through the years that people who state their opinions as fact often like to argue instead of actually discussing and listening.
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I think JT basically said what I'd say to your post except to say there is a condescending tone in your response that takes much of the "fun" out of discussions on Tidefans.

Nobody here is lining up to coach after CNS, so you should feel relieved.

The other bolded quote is a ridiculous claim that people are stating "opinions" as "facts"...and since you were saying this while quoting my post I'm assuming you were suggesting I was doing so. I say this is a ridiculous claim because people come here to post their observations and opinions (and catch a snippet of news - see below) about Alabama football. It's what we do here!!! Also, I'd remind you that at the end of my post that you claim seemed to be stating opinion as fact, I ended it with these three letters: JMO

TIDE-HSV said:
It took a threat to transfer on his part. Saban is extremely loyal and that goes for players as well as assistants...
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That's the first time I've heard Henry threatened to transfer! Thanks for the knowledge!
 
BamaMoon said:
I think JT basically said what I'd say to your post except to say there is a condescending tone in your response that takes much of the "fun" out of discussions on Tidefans.

Nobody here is lining up to coach after CNS, so you should feel relieved.

The other bolded quote is a ridiculous claim that people are stating "opinions" as "facts"...and since you were saying this while quoting my post I'm assuming you were suggesting I was doing so. I say this is a ridiculous claim because people come here to post their observations and opinions (and catch a snippet of news - see below) about Alabama football. It's what we do here!!! Also, I'd remind you that at the end of my post that you claim seemed to be stating opinion as fact, I ended it with these three letters: JMO



That's the first time I've heard Henry threatened to transfer! Thanks for the knowledge!
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A lot of players do it. However, it's taken seriously when someone the caliber of Henry says it. Some of the other players who've transferred, even some who've done well elsewhere, threatened to do it first and their PT actually went down...
 
TIDE-HSV said:
A lot of players do it. However, it's taken seriously when someone the caliber of Henry says it. Some of the other players who've transferred, even some who've done well elsewhere, threatened to do it first and their PT actually went down...
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Truth.
 
BamaMoon said:
That's the first time I've heard Henry threatened to transfer! Thanks for the knowledge!
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I recall that he was unhappy and ready to transfer but someone in his family circle talked him out of it. In other words, he didn't stay because of anything that Saban said or did - he was convinced by family to stick it out.
 
B1GTide said:
I recall that he was unhappy and ready to transfer but someone in his family circle talked him out of it. In other words, he didn't stay because of anything that Saban said or did - he was convinced by family to stick it out.
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From Saturday Down South's site:
Henry’s mother picked up the phone and called Nick Saban, who was very surprised that Henry was even upset. Obviously, Saban and the coaching staff worked things out with Henry.
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TIDE-HSV said:
Of course his PT increased dramatically also. However, IMO, he was ready for it, when he wasn't as a freshman...
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I always wonder about these running backs being great runners but not being able to block has to keep them off the field until they understand the different protections.


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