Seahawks fire OC Ryan Grubb after one season

[JDCrimson]

This is fundamental to the Air Raid offense. I remember watching MSU play when Leach was there. The commentators would talk about the offense running "concepts" rather than "plays" and that it took a minute for the QBs and WRs to figure out how to run it. But again, CPG had no problem shutting it down.

We probably would have seen something similar from Price had he ever made it to the field.

Color me concerned, in general, because I hwve never seen an Air Raid Offense win a national championship...

The thing about DeBoer’s offense is highly dependent on wide receivers finding space. There have been several SEC players and coaches go to the PAC 12 and say that DeBoer’s offense is the most confusing offense that they have ever seen because you really have to figure out the receivers. However, when you don’t have a quarterback that can get them the ball then it blows up in your face. I think the Michigan game more proved that we had an incapable quarterback than an incompetent defense. Milroe had mostly clean pockets and still looked for one receiver and then nothing.

 

[BamaFanatJSU]

The plays that were draw up and called were NOT the problem. The problem was the quarter ack that couldn't execute them!

Again, Milroe couldn't make reads, gave away the play with his stance and was horribly inaccurate when his footwork was wrong, which was most of the time.

That's the thing...the play calls were incorrect given the skillset of the guy pulling the trigger. As crazy as this sounds, just because people are running open doesn't make it a good play call if the QB is incapable of making the necessary reads/throws to get the ball where it should be going.

Let's throw out a ridiculously implausible scenario for metaphorical illustration purposes: I had (what turned out to be) unsuccessful surgery on my labrum and rotator cuff years ago, and as a result, I can't throw a football more than about 25 yards these days. Now let's say hypothetically that I'm a college quarterback with that limitation: I know it, my OC knows it, and decent opposing DCs know it. If a defense then loads the box and lets my WRs run fly routes wide open downfield knowing that I can't make those throws, is my OC really blameless just because he 'schemed' people open?

After all, isn't part of being a competent OC knowing the strengths and limitations of your personnel? I feel like the same thing many on this site excoriated CTR for last year (scaling back the playback for a limited signal caller) is exactly what Sheridan refused to do this year, and it cost us at least two wins against beatable teams.

 

[81usaf92]

This is fundamental to the Air Raid offense. I remember watching MSU play when Leach was there. The commentators would talk about the offense running "concepts" rather than "plays" and that it took a minute for the QBs and WRs to figure out how to run it. But again, CPG had no problem shutting it down.

We probably would have seen something similar from Price had he ever made it to the field.

Color me concerned, in general, because I hwve never seen an Air Raid Offense win a national championship...

But DeBoer has had a 1k yard rusher. I don’t know if it’s a true air raid offense.

 

[BamaFanatJSU]

No. It was pretty mediocre overall though

Seattle finished 14th in total yards and 11th in offensive TDs. For a first year NFL OC calling plays with compromised personnel (Geno Smith is the living embodiment of mediocrity, plus DK Metcalf and Kenneth Walker played hurt most of the year), I don't feel like those are terrible numbers for Grubb.

 

[Joefus]

Seattle finished 14th in total yards and 11th in offensive TDs. For a first year NFL OC calling plays with compromised personnel (Geno Smith is the living embodiment of mediocrity, plus DK Metcalf and Kenneth Walker played hurt most of the year), I don't feel like those are terrible numbers for Grubb.

They also have a poor oline as well

 

[SkullDuckery]

Probably a blessing in disguise that Grubb missed out on Milroe or people would be complaining how bad he is.

 

[rolltide7854]

At one point during Jalent Hurts lowest times at Bama I boldly declared he'd never play a down as a QB in the NFL.

I had to eat major crow over that, but Jalen then sat a year behind Tua and grew and then went to OU for a year and he was miles ahead of where JM is now.

So I won't say JM will never play QB in the NFL. But I kinda doubt it.

I said the same thing about Jalen Hurts. I think the difference is Hurts realized it when Tua won the starting job. Instead of pouting he got to work and was a great team player. When he was needed against Georgia he came thru BIG TIME. Hurts was a different player his senior year than he was as a freshman. I don't think Milroe has it in him to make the improvement that Hurts did.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Seattle finished 14th in total yards and 11th in offensive TDs. For a first year NFL OC calling plays with compromised personnel (Geno Smith is the living embodiment of mediocrity, plus DK Metcalf and Kenneth Walker played hurt most of the year), I don't feel like those are terrible numbers for Grubb.

Yeah they weren't terrible. Just mediocre. I think they were 18th in ppg and like 20th or 22nd in EPA/play. I looked yesterday but can't remember exactly.

People who watched them more closely than I did felt like the play calling was disjointed.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

This is fundamental to the Air Raid offense. I remember watching MSU play when Leach was there. The commentators would talk about the offense running "concepts" rather than "plays" and that it took a minute for the QBs and WRs to figure out how to run it. But again, CPG had no problem shutting it down.

We probably would have seen something similar from Price had he ever made it to the field.

Color me concerned, in general, because I hwve never seen an Air Raid Offense win a national championship...

It's been a long time but 2000 OU was an Air Raid Offense.

Leach was the OC in the previous year and mentored Mangino who took over in 2000.

Heupel was their QB that year.

 

[mlh]

I said the same thing about Jalen Hurts. I think the difference is Hurts realized it when Tua won the starting job. Instead of pouting he got to work and was a great team player. When he was needed against Georgia he came thru BIG TIME. Hurts was a different player his senior year than he was as a freshman. I don't think Milroe has it in him to make the improvement that Hurts did.

3 differences between the two, IMHO:

1. Hurts was coachable. He listened to the coaches and did what they told him. Consequently, he improved vastly during his last 2 years.

2. Hurts was a true leader and team player. He put the team ahead of his own interests, led by example, and did not cause dissention among the players.

3. Hurts did not have an ego the size of Texas. He was confident and poised, but he accepted the criticism of the coaches and worked to get better.

 

[BamaMoon]

3 differences between the two, IMHO:

1. Hurts was coachable. He listened to the coaches and did what they told him. Consequently, he improved vastly during his last 2 years.

2. Hurts was a true leader and team player. He put the team ahead of his own interests, led by example, and did not cause dissention among the players.

3. Hurts did not have an ego the size of Texas. He was confident and poised, but he accepted the criticism of the coaches and worked to get better.

And this is precisely why he is where he is today in his NFL journey!

I know it's not popular with many of the NFL here on this board, but I've become a bandwagon fan of the Eagles the last few years because they keep getting these Bama boys I love! Just between Jalen, Smitty and Country Boy Dickerson, I rooting hard for them.

Love or hate the Eagles but they are a great organization and they are smart enough to draft a bunch of Bama and Georgia boys the last several years. Combine that with great trades like AJ and Barclay and they are rocking and rolling!

 

[davefrat]

3 differences between the two, IMHO:

1. Hurts was coachable. He listened to the coaches and did what they told him. Consequently, he improved vastly during his last 2 years.

2. Hurts was a true leader and team player. He put the team ahead of his own interests, led by example, and did not cause dissention among the players.

3. Hurts did not have an ego the size of Texas. He was confident and poised, but he accepted the criticism of the coaches and worked to get better.

Hurts dad was a coach, wasn't he?

IDK about Milroe, but my guess would be that he is not a coach's son.

 

[bamamc1]

I think Dan Enos did a lot of good for Hurts the year he was QB coach at Bama and Tua was the starter. As some have mentioned, Hurts wanted to be coached and made the most of that year. Hurts is a great player but an even better person.

 

[The Ols]

This is fundamental to the Air Raid offense. I remember watching MSU play when Leach was there. The commentators would talk about the offense running "concepts" rather than "plays" and that it took a minute for the QBs and WRs to figure out how to run it. But again, CPG had no problem shutting it down.

We probably would have seen something similar from Price had he ever made it to the field.

Color me concerned, in general, because I hwve never seen an Air Raid Offense win a national championship...

CKD came awfully close in Washington w/considerably less talent. (On paper)
I know, horseshoes and hand grenades…but those are all the same.

 

[TideEngineer08]

But DeBoer has had a 1k yard rusher. I don’t know if it’s a true air raid offense.

I don't know enough about the intricacies of offensive systems and strategies, but I do know that his offense is not the same as Mike Leach's. It may fall under the Air Raid umbrella, but it does enough differently that it can win a championship, IMO.

 

[92tide]

Hurts dad was a coach, wasn't he?

IDK about Milroe, but my guess would be that he is not a coach's son.

iirc, both of his parents are military

 

[TDBama78]

Hurts dad was a coach, wasn't he?

IDK about Milroe, but my guess would be that he is not a coach's son.

I think hurts Dad was a high school coach, milroes dad was probably his pee wee coach where the coaches kid plays QB whether he's able or not and he still has the same bad habits to this very day.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

I think hurts Dad was a high school coach, milroes dad was probably his pee wee coach where the coaches kid plays QB whether he's able or not and he still has the same bad habits to this very day.

In PeeWee, everyone in the stands is a coach...

 

[bamaslammer]

This is good analysis. You can even go further, if Sheridan had dumbed the offense down so much that we werent running RPO but Run plays or Pass plays with no audible and the QB had a tell on which one it would be then you very likely wind up with the mess we just witnessed. In those 3 games, the opposing coaches had the discipline to implement a gameplan that used our weaknesses against ourselves. They were probably laughing at our tape breaking it down.

Yea, It's hard for me to grasp how anyone looked at JM film and thought he could run the RPO. Sure, he's fast so if you just clear a path to the endzone straight in front of him he's going to the house with it, but that's the extent of his rushing ability. Being good at the RPO requires more quickness both in feet and mind than actual raw speed, he has neither. So when they decided to make THAT the offense Alabama's season was over before it started. To me this was obvious from last year so I'd love to have the staff explain it to me how what I saw last year wasn't actually what I really saw. I mean these guys didn't just think it, they gambled their careers on it.

Personally I'd rather never have another "mobile quarterback" if by mobile you mean having the QB run being an actual planned part of the offense. I want my QB to actually throw the ball, I know, call me old fashioned. If they can scoot around in the pocket to buy time that's good, if when the play breaks down they can use their legs to avoid loss on the play that's good as well, but those are plays that are already wrecked.

 

[TideFan in AU]

But DeBoer has had a 1k yard rusher. I don’t know if it’s a true air raid offense.

DeBoer’s offense is considered pro style offense with air and spread concepts. It shares a lot similarities to what McDaniels ran with the Patriots run with a Brady, Pedersen with Eagles, Martz with Kurt Warner at the Rams, and even Andy Reid with the Chiefs. People hear “Air Raid” and immediately think gimmick, but offenses with air raid concepts have been very successful for many years. Finding the balance between passing and keeping enough of a running game to keep defenses honest is key.

The one thing that is 100%, absolutely key though is QB play. Of course that can be said for any offense really, the scheme is not built to to line and pound the ball against 8 and 9 man fronts if your QB can’t run the run the offense. Without competent QB play, these offense will struggle. If you don’t believe that, you just have to watch the stark difference between how we looked this year between good Jalen and bad Jalen. This offense line or die by the QB, so DeBoer having his guy (and capable) backups will determine the success of any seaso

Dillon Johnson rushed for 1195 yards, for an average of 16.6 carries per game and 85 yards per game last year at Washington. Those are not huge numbers, but definitely way more than tradition Air Raid numbers. He also had 16 TDs and 5.13 yards per carry. Though the rushing numbers weren’t big numbers, they were timely, impactful runs that kept the offense balanced.

DeBoer’s offenses have also had much higher time of possession numbers than typical Air Raid offenses, which is easier on defenses.